French cars.Hmmm...
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ORD said:
Stickyfinger said:
Sorry, but that is b
ks
Most of the BMW/Audi/Porsche/Merc owners I know cannot drive and just use them as a fashion like shoes.
Typical PH response. It's my observation. Nobody that I know who driver a French car has any interest in cars whatsoever. That's a simple fact. Getting upset about the facts that somebody has observed is a little strange. ksMost of the BMW/Audi/Porsche/Merc owners I know cannot drive and just use them as a fashion like shoes.
Edited by Stickyfinger on Saturday 30th April 22:40
It's not a very big sample of the population, obviously, but it's a strange coincidence unless there is something in it. I expect it's that most people's sole interest in cars is to get a badge for the school run or whatever, which rules out French cars and rules in some horrid diesel BMW or Audi. The people I know who buy French cars aren't even interested in cars for badge snobbery and social anxiety reasons - they just want a vehicle to get them places. Nothing wrong with that!
My second comment was simply that I think French cars are usually pretty bad. I can't think of any that are seen as class leading apart from the hot Megane.
Im only slightly biased because I've sold French cars for a few years now, but people really need to get over this whole 'French cars are st' blah blah stuff.
I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.
It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
t' blah blah stuff.I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
Edited by Butter Face on Saturday 30th April 23:19
France. A nation with one of the longest and most prestigious histories in car making. Reknowned for constant and significant innovation in defiance of convention, in both technology and design. Always daring to be different. A rich and successful pedigree in all kinds of motorsport.
The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
Butter Face said:
Im only slightly biased because I've sold French cars for a few years now, but people really need to get over this whole 'French cars are st' blah blah stuff.
I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.
It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
Very well put.t' blah blah stuff.I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
Edited by Butter Face on Saturday 30th April 23:19
When I bought my first Ford Focus I was ridiculed at work by an older colleague who said he would never buy another Ford after his Mk2 Escort rusted badly
The most unreliable, costly to maintain and rusty POS car I've ever had was German. It was a 2003 model VW Passat PD 130 and it needed £2800 worth of warranty work done for rust alone, then the turbo blew and the gearbox began to fail and the trim and electrics began to fall to bits.
I now have a Volvo, no rust and very reliable. Also a lot cheaper too.
I'd have a French car in a heartbeat, I know many people that have had no issues with them and have been a pleasure to own.
Edited by Rammy76 on Saturday 30th April 23:34
Butter Face said:
Im only slightly biased because I've sold French cars for a few years now, but people really need to get over this whole 'French cars are st' blah blah stuff.
I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.
It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
They will always be out there; like this guy:t' blah blah stuff.I love ruining people's days when they say 'I'd never buy a Renault because they have crap electronics/engines/interiors/whatever' then they tell me they drive a Nissan, or a Mercedes with a Renault engine, or a Mini/BMW with a PSA engine, or a Vauxhall vivaro, or... Well you get my point.
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.It's not the 80's/90's anymore, French cars don't break down like they used to, Mercedes don't make cars just for the fat cats, BMW don't just make the ultimate driving machine (2 series active tourer anyone? Mmmm) fords don't rust (like they used to) etc etc.
Over.
Edited by Butter Face on Saturday 30th April 23:19
gtidriver said:
I'm in a Belgian hired Renault Clio, this car is rubbish. It's done 6000miles, don't know engine size but I'm thinking very small, the panels have a biscuit tin feel to them,the paint is very easily marked, the seats are the worse I've ever sat in, the fuel consumption is terrible, the ride is shocking, it struggles to get to 80mph the road noise is terrible, this isn't helped as its still on winter tyres. Hateful pile of st.
You and I both know that what "gtidriver" has written is complete and utter bt. ks:- there is nothing wrong with the panels, they are no thinner than anything else of a similar ilk.
- would love to know how he has come to the conclusion that the paint is easily marked; perhaps he is a bad driver and tends to hit things.
- everyone knows that French cars have extremely comfortable seats; always have done.
- poor fuel consumption; compared to what, I've never heard of any issues there.
- poor ride, well it is a French car and they are known for majoring more on comfort than outright handling.
- struggles to get to 80; err OK, I've never had an issue and I bet a 60ps Polo; you know a German car, would find it harder to hit 80?!
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 30th April 23:53
French car companies such as Oreca, Onroak, Norma Auto Concept, SPARK Racing, etc., should launch a real road legal supercar to compete with the best, and PSA shoud launch a road version of the fantastic 208 T16 Pikes Peak, one of the maddest cars i've ever seen.
Edited by Ciid on Saturday 30th April 23:52
HustleRussell said:
France. A nation with one of the longest and most prestigious histories in car making. Reknowned for constant and significant innovation in defiance of convention, in both technology and design. Always daring to be different. A rich and successful pedigree in all kinds of motorsport.
The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
Hear hear!The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
Been saying this to people for years
Butter Face said:
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.
Are you not talking individual cars there, though? I had to Google both of them just to see what they were and I have never seen a ZOE.It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.When you click on the 'reliability' tab, you have to scroll down and down and down some more before anything French appears. They are a long way down on that list.
Nothing French appears on the 'Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies' reliability survey until position 13 or worse, either.
HustleRussell said:
France. A nation with one of the longest and most prestigious histories in car making. Reknowned for constant and significant innovation in defiance of convention, in both technology and design. Always daring to be different. A rich and successful pedigree in all kinds of motorsport.
The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
100% agree with all of that. The world of petrolhead is unarguably richer for it's wealth of interesting French metal.
Frankly I'd be surprised if anybody who has a clue would disagree with that.
Digby said:
Are you not talking individual cars there, though? I had to Google both of them just to see what they were and I have never seen a ZOE.
When you click on the 'reliability' tab, you have to scroll down and down and down some more before anything French appears. They are a long way down on that list.
Nothing French appears on the 'Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies' reliability survey until position 13 or wors, either.
There are a lot of French cars on top, and do not forget Dacia which is totally French.When you click on the 'reliability' tab, you have to scroll down and down and down some more before anything French appears. They are a long way down on that list.
Nothing French appears on the 'Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies' reliability survey until position 13 or wors, either.
Reliability by brand:
Tesla
Lexus
Dacia
Toyota
Honda
Mazda
Suzuki
Skoda
Subaru
Kia
Renault
MG
Peugeot
Porsche
Mitsubishi
SEAT
Jaguar
Mercedes
Citroen
Vauxhall
BMW
Volvo
Audi
Fiat
Hyundai
Ford
Alfa Romeo
Nissan
VW
Land Rover
Jeep
MINI
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
Edited by Ciid on Sunday 1st May 03:56
Digby said:
Butter Face said:
Auto express carry out a survey every year where they actually ask people who buy the cars (you know, the people from whom the feedback is actually relevant) and they allow anyone to look at it.
It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.
Are you not talking individual cars there, though? I had to Google both of them just to see what they were and I have never seen a ZOE.It's here http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-powe...
What's that? A Renault in 2nd place, and one in 3rd? The worlds gone mad. And one of them is all electric
it must be a fix, right? and there's 5 Renaults (inc Dacia) in the top 20.When you click on the 'reliability' tab, you have to scroll down and down and down some more before anything French appears. They are a long way down on that list.
Nothing French appears on the 'Warranty Direct’s 50,000 live policies' reliability survey until position 13 or worse, either.
So does that make a car more unreliable? No, of course not, is it normal to expect that some cars cost more to repair that others, of course it does.
Digby said:
Are we looking at different lists?
Dacia is 15th on mine.
You mentioned the warranty direct list. http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturerDacia is 15th on mine.
Renault at 11th, Peugeot at 13, Citroen at 20.
Bentley last. Obviously, I see hundreds of broken down bentleys
To be fair, someone has been quoting the AutoExpress survey! The results of that survey say more about driver expectations than anything else. Renault Zoe? Dacia? Not good cars, but they satisfy the limited wants and needs of their buyers.
Maybe it's like I said - a lot of very easily pleased drivers choose French cars.
Maybe it's like I said - a lot of very easily pleased drivers choose French cars.
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