French cars.Hmmm...

[Rjbell]

feef said:

Are they German cars made in Germany, German cars made in Slovakia, German cars made in Russia, German cars made in Belgium, German cars made in the UK or German cars made in Spain

Is Vauxhall British, American (GM) or German (Opel)? Some are made in Germany

I've asked the question before, and someone else asked in here earlier,

What makes a car a "[insert nationality] car"

Is it where the parts are from?
Where it's designed?
Where it's assembled?
Where the engine is from?
Or where the brand has it's offices registered?

I'm in agreement with you. With platform sharing and engine sharing it's all nonses. But some people are obsessed with brands names.

We live in a time where people pay £150 for a polo shirt with a little crocodile logo on it!

Edited by Rjbell on Sunday 1st May 10:50

[Stickyfinger]

ORD said:

Maybe it's like I said - a lot of very easily pleased drivers choose French cars.

LOL, or AUDI, BMW etc....have you even considered that there is a mix of cars made in France, some small, some mundane and some made for Drivers ?

Your attempts to "lump them all" into one type/bracket is as laughable as your biased conclusion based on limited knowledge and the rather obvious regurgitating of bullst.

As an example, all German cars are crap because Porsche engines are made of butter......Bore scoring / Ovaling, IMS, RMS.....

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 1st May 12:38

[ORD]

Stickyfinger said:

LOL, or AUDI, BMW etc....have you even considered that there is a mix of cars made in France, some small, some mundane and some made for Drivers ?

Your attempts to "lump them all" into one type/bracket is as laughable as your biased conclusion based on limited knowledge and the rather obvious regurgitating of bullst.

As an example, all German cars are crap because Porsche engines are made of butter......Bore scoring / Ovaling, IMS, RMS.....

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 1st May 12:38

Grow up.

[Stickyfinger]

Really ?.....you spout bks based knowing a few people with some average cars, you declare the whole of the French Car industry is crap and all French car owners do not know/care about cars then based on that and you tell me to grow up ?
Go on, give me another giggle

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 1st May 15:15

[HTP99]

ORD said:

Stickyfinger said:

LOL, or AUDI, BMW etc....have you even considered that there is a mix of cars made in France, some small, some mundane and some made for Drivers ?

Your attempts to "lump them all" into one type/bracket is as laughable as your biased conclusion based on limited knowledge and the rather obvious regurgitating of bullst.

As an example, all German cars are crap because Porsche engines are made of butter......Bore scoring / Ovaling, IMS, RMS.....

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 1st May 12:38

Grow up.

Hilarious.

[Butter Face]

HTP99 said:

ORD said:

Stickyfinger said:

LOL, or AUDI, BMW etc....have you even considered that there is a mix of cars made in France, some small, some mundane and some made for Drivers ?

Your attempts to "lump them all" into one type/bracket is as laughable as your biased conclusion based on limited knowledge and the rather obvious regurgitating of bullst.

As an example, all German cars are crap because Porsche engines are made of butter......Bore scoring / Ovaling, IMS, RMS.....

Edited by Stickyfinger on Sunday 1st May 12:38

Grow up.

Hilarious.

Ain't it just?

'Hey kettle, you're looking awfully black today' said the pot

[ORD]

You are all upset that someone has a different view from yours.

I'll leave you to your safe space where nobody can disagree and you can all congratulate yourselves on being so clever and every so tough.

[Jaguar steve]

ChrisR99 said:

Nice to see people sticking up for French cars! Bravo.

Wade through all the misinformed bks from the Haters and they generally stick up for themselves pretty well without anybody's help. I recon half a million miles in old French Sheds is a long way behind me now and have been running various examples since the early 80s. They've always been worked hard and often heavily loaded and given minimal maintenance. Weapon of choice at the moment is a very grubby and battered diesel Berlingo that runs perfectly even though it's got way over 100k on the clock. An added bonus is it has a better ride quality and is more comfortable on a long trip than my XJ8.

Breakdowns in the last thirty five years or so? Just three: Two snapped clutch cables and a failed ignition coil. No need for anybody to stick up for that

Edited by Jaguar steve on Sunday 1st May 18:11

[xRIEx]

ORD said:

You are all upset that someone has a different view from yours.

I'll leave you to your safe space where nobody can disagree and you can all congratulate yourselves on being so clever and every so tough.

Sorry, but if you're the one feeling angry and flouncing out, you're the one getting triggered. If you want an echo chamber, tumblr is that way ->

And as for "it's my observation" - so? That means the square root of negative fk all - with about 30m drivers in the UK, your sample of 'maybe 20' has absolutely no bearing on the matter. It's fair enough if someone calls "bks" on your "observations"; if you feel your position is justified, cite some representative figures to back it up. No need to flounce.


Not that you'll read this.

[JoeMarano]

My french car history...

1.1 Pug 106 Clutch replaced
1.6 Vtr coil pack changed, clutch release bearing
1.4 106 nothing no servicing or anything for 40k miles
Twingo 133 slave cylinder
Clio 172 Exhaust replaced, spring replaced, crankshaft sensor

[Stickyfinger]

ORD said:

You are all upset that someone has a different view from yours.

I'll leave you to your safe space where nobody can disagree and you can all congratulate yourselves on being so clever and every so tough.

No, not in anyway.
What I find a bit silly is your illogical conclusions on "French cars" that are so clearly based on a few school run Mums and their ownership of middle of the road cars.
You have no clue on my thoughts on any French car other than you knowing I am aware they make a wide spread of types/performance.

And as for tough.....oh please

[ORD]

Apologies. I'm just very tired of the ad hominem response to anyone who disagrees with you on here. It's so childish and boring.

I think French cars are mostly pretty bad. You can disagree without being offensive, surely?

[Lester H]

ORD said:

Apologies. I'm just very tired of the ad hominem response to anyone who disagrees with you on here. It's so childish and boring.

I think French cars are mostly pretty bad. You can disagree without being offensive, surely?

indeed so; you take as you find.

[ch108]

Blown2CV said:

TooMany2cvs said:

ch108 said:

The Xsara was a nightmare. Test drove it twice, there didn't appear to be any issues. First day I had it, it kept cutting out when braking. Garage blamed the engine management system, and unsuccessfully tried to fix it on 6 other occasions. I ended up getting rid of it.

Was it a pre-facelift Xsara (basically a ZX/306 in other panels) or a facelifted one (with multiplexed electronics)? Which engine (the Xsaras got the first HDis, much more complicated than the XUD)?

Sounds like the multiplex to me. The biggest cause of 'not really sure what's causing this' problems.

It was a 1998 pre facelift 1.6 petrol model. Shame really as it was in good condition otherwise. The garage kept taking the car back and claimed to have fixed the problem each time. They even said they downloaded new software into the engine management system. The longest it lasted without cutting out when braking to a stop was 4 weeks. But the problem was usually there constantly. Shortly before I got rid of it, it was starting to cut out when taking off from stopped too. I was always expecting for someone to pile into the back of me at roundabouts or junctions.

[Stickyfinger]

ORD, Apologies for being to strong. I'm just very tired of the ad hominem reaction that seems to condemn a very varied production of types based on "being French".

I will leave you with these






The list is long

[roystinho]

10 French cars here over 14 years, not one single catastrophe. The worst was a clutch on a Clio V6, other than that I'm struggling for anything else beyond servicing and consumables

[Ciid]

This weekend here in Portugal.









All this for free. Thank you Renault.

[Butter Face]

New Megane does look good, looking forward to driving the GT205!

[Ciid]

Butter Face said:

New Megane does look good, looking forward to driving the GT205!

I've only drove the Megane 1.6 dCi and i really enjoyed it. The GT205 should be fantastic, it's only 0.5 seconds slower than the Clio RS.

[Lester H]

Sticky Finger ( below) grew attention to personal and blanket prejudice against French cars. They are usually better value than aspirational marques - no names, no pack drill - and pound for pound (£) no worse/better than rivals. Problems tend to be minor electrical and bits of trim (often detached) Does not merit blanket condemnation. If you go on any single make forum you will be met with "best car ever" alongside " Oh no, John, no John, no".