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Paul v8

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756 posts

166 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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It feels such a joke to drive on the roads like m4/m3 at mo
Why do they have to cone off mile after mile with nothing going on for months be bloody av speed cameras doesn't help when there is a accident also at same time

Blakewater

4,311 posts

158 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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It's the same with the M60 and M62 at the moment. I think the limits and cameras are just extended to the furthest range of where the roadworks will be for ease of laying them out, there might also be work going on in the night.

Edited by Blakewater on Saturday 22 November 18:54

littleredrooster

5,541 posts

197 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Paul v8 said:
...Why do they have to cone off mile after mile with nothing going on for months be bloody av speed cameras doesn't help when there is a accident also at same time
Translation please?

goneape

2,839 posts

163 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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On the m3 they're installing the infrastructure for the upgrade [sic] to smart motorway. You know, telephone lines, sthouse etc. Proper work starts in january for 2 miserable years.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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M1 from something like J37-41 are roadworks, 50mph limit whilst the gantry cams are being installed. The increased travel time is ridiculous.

Aeroresh

1,429 posts

233 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Think you'll find reduced speed limits are due to the obvious such as safety of workforce but also temporary traffic management, some of which is only type approved for 50mph such as Varioguard safety barrier.

Its a pain granted but theres no other way and its still a vast improvement of yesteryear where there'd be lane closures, etc.

goneape

2,839 posts

163 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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On the m3 they're installing the infrastructure for the upgrade [sic] to smart motorway. You know, telephone lines, sthouse etc. Proper work starts in january for 2 miserable years.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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M1 all through Northamptonshire is now 50 mph roadworks, about 15 miles of it.

In reality it feels as though it delays you a lot more than it actually does ....

Paul v8

Original Poster:

756 posts

166 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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The smart motorways, every other time I go on the m25 they will flash up 50 for about 2 miles then go back to national speed on a flowing motorway but what happens is a sea of red lights which then causes everyone to slam on anchors and cause more problems than if they just let it flow at national speed
Gov easy to Penelise drivers but think the agency guys who control the speeds in a office somewhere are abit out of touch

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

164 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Aeroresh said:
Think you'll find reduced speed limits are due to the obvious such as safety of workforce but also temporary traffic management, some of which is only type approved for 50mph such as Varioguard safety barrier.

Its a pain granted but theres no other way and its still a vast improvement of yesteryear where there'd be lane closures, etc.
confused Or they could just not line the entire motorway network with gantry cameras. They piss me right off, it wouldn't be an issue if they turned the cameras off when the motorway was empty but they don't, so you have to sit at 70 despite it being 4am and not another car in sight mad

Aeroresh

1,429 posts

233 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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StottyEvo said:
Aeroresh said:
Think you'll find reduced speed limits are due to the obvious such as safety of workforce but also temporary traffic management, some of which is only type approved for 50mph such as Varioguard safety barrier.

Its a pain granted but theres no other way and its still a vast improvement of yesteryear where there'd be lane closures, etc.
confused Or they could just not line the entire motorway network with gantry cameras. They piss me right off, it wouldn't be an issue if they turned the cameras off when the motorway was empty but they don't, so you have to sit at 70 despite it being 4am and not another car in sight mad
Im not familar with that stretch of road....are you just talking about roadworks or "managed motorways"?

If its roadworks the reasons are per my previous post. If its managed motorways, the cameras arent average speed cameras so you can if you wanted speed up between them. Given theyre set at 10%+2 youd have to have an indicated speed of 85+ Within a 70mph zone before you set them off.

Blakewater

4,311 posts

158 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Depends on the accuracy of your speedometer. My digital one is pretty much bang on. Plus the "smart" motorways can easily be confused by the odd slow moving vehicle and all sorts of silly limits flash up on near empty motorways. I can't help thinking just widening the motorways would be a better all round investment for the future. It's not a lack of room, it's wanting to do the job on the cheap that's led to these supposed upgrades to smart motorways that don't entirely work properly.

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

136 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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The M1 Northants roadworks and managed Beds/Herts stretch really cheeses me off. I have to sit there doing 50-55 mph because someone says so.
If there were no managed limits and roadworks I could be doing 50-55mph because of genuine traffic.

sparkyhx

4,152 posts

205 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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I drive to London every week and about a 1/3rd of my journey is under fixed 50 or variable 50 speed limits. That's about 60-70 miles. I never see anyone working. Then when I come home on top of the usual speed restrictions, in the evening they start closing parts of the motorway down to 1 lane for overnight works causing massive jams.

Anyone want my life?

Dr Interceptor

7,803 posts

197 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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sparkyhx said:
I drive to London every week and about a 1/3rd of my journey is under fixed 50 or variable 50 speed limits. That's about 60-70 miles. I never see anyone working. Then when I come home on top of the usual speed restrictions, in the evening they start closing parts of the motorway down to 1 lane for overnight works causing massive jams.

Anyone want my life?
I feel your pain...

As a Farnborough resident my whole M3 route to London is now entranced in roadworks for the next 2-3 years. If I need to go into town by car (and sometimes I do), if I'm not on the motorway by 4.45am, I might as well not bother. It's only 30 miles up the road.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

164 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Aeroresh said:
StottyEvo said:
Aeroresh said:
Think you'll find reduced speed limits are due to the obvious such as safety of workforce but also temporary traffic management, some of which is only type approved for 50mph such as Varioguard safety barrier.

Its a pain granted but theres no other way and its still a vast improvement of yesteryear where there'd be lane closures, etc.
confused Or they could just not line the entire motorway network with gantry cameras. They piss me right off, it wouldn't be an issue if they turned the cameras off when the motorway was empty but they don't, so you have to sit at 70 despite it being 4am and not another car in sight mad
Im not familar with that stretch of road....are you just talking about roadworks or "managed motorways"?

If its roadworks the reasons are per my previous post. If its managed motorways, the cameras arent average speed cameras so you can if you wanted speed up between them. Given theyre set at 10%+2 youd have to have an indicated speed of 85+ Within a 70mph zone before you set them off.
Both, to install the gantry cams they have to have roadworks. I like neither! I would agree with the gantry cams if they switched them off out of peak times, but they don't.

Monty Python

4,812 posts

198 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Wish they would do something with the M56 between Chester and Warrington. It seems to be full of idiots who don't seem to understand that lane 3 isn't there for their own personal use. You can sit in lane 2 and sail past loads of them, all determined not to leave the sanctity of the "fast lane". Then you get the numpties who seem to think that if they get within a mile of the car in front then they have to brake, which ripples backwards causing everything to grind to a virtual standstill.

baldy1926

2,136 posts

201 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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A bit on Look East oday. They were questionong why the A11 upgrade is not open.
Several weeks ago the road appeared finished.
There are still 9 miles of 40mph apparently for tree planting and extra signage.
The cones they hope to have removed by the new year which will be nearly 6 months after the main construction phase finished

Blakewater

4,311 posts

158 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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StottyEvo said:
Both, to install the gantry cams they have to have roadworks. I like neither! I would agree with the gantry cams if they switched them off out of peak times, but they don't.
Having driven to university in Manchester most mornings up until not long ago, I found the traffic on the M60 was slow but trundling along in the mornings at rush hour and perfectly fine the rest of the day. Now it's just Hell on Earth all the time. The worst thing is traffic trying to get to the Trafford Centre on a rainy weekend or in the run up to Christmas (which is only going to get worse over the next few weeks) because the whole world and is wife is flocking up the motorway to take the same exit. Beyond the Trafford Centre exit the motorway will be empty. The problem there is too much stuff being served by one exit with the shopping centre and the ski slope and so on and spending however many millions of pounds it is on a smart motorway and cameras to photograph anyone managing to get moving and fine them won't solve that problem.