If an engine lost all its coolant..

If an engine lost all its coolant..

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Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

279 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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..how would you know?

The temp guage measures coolant temperature, if the engine suddenly lost its coolant (say a hose rupture or somthing) and you lost all your coolant, would the temp guage reading change much before the engine seized?


s p a c e m a n

10,777 posts

148 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Water temp gauge would drop to zero as no water to read from, heaters would go cold, probably a yellow flashy light on the dashboard in anything newer than 10 years old.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The temperature warning light in my bike is triggered by coolant temperature. No coolant, no light.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Oil temperature gauge would rise

Hasbeen

2,073 posts

221 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Had this happen to me in a Mitsubishi Gallant. The pipe into the back of the water pump from the heater failed completely, dropping all the water very quickly.

The temperature gauge did not move at all from it's "normal" mark.

The engine was only saved as some of the water splashed onto the ignition system, making the thing miss. I stopped to have a look, & there was water all over the engine bay, but none in the engine.

Smitters

4,003 posts

157 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The system is under pressure, so will helpfully squirt onto something hot, causing alarming noises and steam. A sudden dump from a failed bottom hose would be harder to spot methinks.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Steam in the mirror is a good clue.

VR6T Gar

614 posts

123 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Do most cars not have a low water sensor in the header tank?
I know my 21 year old Corrado did after blowing a hose. The flashing red light saved me from cooking the engine/turbo that day.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

204 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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When my h/g went there was a splash on the windscreen then the temperature gauge dropped fairly quickly.

The smell was the real telltale sign though, and the steam was a giveaway

lflowers

4 posts

143 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The bottom hose came off the radiator on my car, the only way i knew was when it started beeping at me saying the coolant level was low and a yellow sign came on the dash. Luckily i was just parking up as it happened.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Coolant level low warning light

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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VR6T Gar said:
Do most cars not have a low water sensor in the header tank?
I know my 21 year old Corrado did after blowing a hose. The flashing red light saved me from cooking the engine/turbo that day.
yes

My current E36 (1998) and my previous E30 (1986) both had low coolant warnings on the OBC.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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You won't know before its far too late in many engines. The ECT sensor requires coolant to actually read anything. If you had a catastrophic loss your calibration wouldn't be able to derate fast enough without a metal temp sensor. Some engines have them to correlate with ECT but many don't to save money.

I.e. you lose your engine before you know it...unless you're very lucky!

98elise

26,596 posts

161 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Happened to me driving an opel manta gte in the 80's. Wated pump failure so lost all the coolant. The first thing I no was that my top speed was dropping rapidly and a lack of power. I assume the heat was seizing the engine. Ran fine after a new pump was fitted.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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98elise said:
Happened to me driving an opel manta gte in the 80's. Wated pump failure so lost all the coolant. The first thing I no was that my top speed was dropping rapidly and a lack of power. I assume the heat was seizing the engine. Ran fine after a new pump was fitted.
...you don't 'lose your coolant' if the water pump goes. You will still have natural thermal syphoning and the coolant mass inside the head/block will absorb a limited amount of heat before reaching film boiling. Much better than your top or bottom hose blowing off...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The huge cloud of steam should give you a clue!

Some engines can accept running without coolant - modern Americans for example.

Some engines can tolerate seizing due to lack of coolant and recover, once allowed to cool down slowly.

hdrflow

854 posts

138 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Ozzie Osmond said:
The huge cloud of steam should give you a clue!
Yep! And in my case a big red light flashing on the dashboard as well. Interesting but not fun frown.

buggalugs

9,243 posts

237 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Dumped all the coolant of out my old eGT once, only twigged when there was no hot air after a good 5 miles. guage showed cold. Hmm, something's off here I thought. I hadn't put a hose back properly the previous night. Got some more water from Asda in the end.

If you don't catch it usually either the pistons get hot enough to start to melt and stick to the bores, or the head gasket goes badly enough to stop it running. If you have an oil cooler you can go a bit further driving

Crapgame

32 posts

114 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Had this twice a Daimler 2.5 with a slow steamer- gauge rose slowly..imperceptibly! saved by a huge jam on the m5 and frantic refilling of the rad.

The second time in a Galant when it started knocking like crazy and lost power - leak in the rad about 1/3rd from bottom must have dumped most of the water an all of the 10 minutes it took me to get onto the M25 and lose power!

FussyFez

972 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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This happened to me. Its why I joined PH.

Overheated and then temp gauge hit the floor.

Pretty much zero coolant in there, I had topped it up the day before.

Never found where it went, filled it up and carried on with no issues.

Still wonder what happened.