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r11co said:
but you still keep coming back to questioning my experience, which has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion of how Land Rover made a 
of their patent application leading to one of their designs falling into Chinese public domain.
But hey, they and you must be right because when asked I didn't lay out my CV for you to peruse.
Even if I was the Chinese ambassador to the UK it wouldn't change the facts.
Have you ever been to China, any idea of how they populate factory's. I have. Quite a bit over the years, the Russia and many other places. It's my job. So when somebody starts commenting about 'industry' and 'forces' I have to ask the question, to see if they're basing this knowledge on working in these places or just reading the supplements. of their patent application leading to one of their designs falling into Chinese public domain.But hey, they and you must be right because when asked I didn't lay out my CV for you to peruse.
Even if I was the Chinese ambassador to the UK it wouldn't change the facts.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 April 20:47
I have my answer, carry on with the thread. Nothing to see here
yonex said:
Have you ever been to China, any idea of how they populate factory's. I have. Quite a bit over the years, the Russia and many other places. It's my job.
Bully for you. How does that change the JLR/Landwind situation?It would seem you were basically venting, but I assure you that we are just on the same curve with the Chinese now as we were with the Japanese and Koreans 3 decades ago.
I have a friend now retired who used to be a metalworker. He worked for a company in Lanarkshire that produced lathes. Some Japanese firms produced copies of their lathes but his company rested on their laurels, putting the word around that the Japanese stuff was made of inferior materials and produced using cheap unskilled labour.
That Japanese company is still going strong, producing class leading CNC lathes and machine tooling, while the mob he worked for went bankrupt 30 years ago. That's what arguing the moral high ground did for them!
Edited by r11co on Friday 24th April 01:08
r11co said:
That Japanese company is still going strong, producing class leading CNC lathes and machine tooling, while the mob he worked for went bankrupt 30 years ago. That's what arguing the moral high ground did for them!
Obviously the failure of the business couldn't must been caused by this. It's not as if any other British engineering companies have gone out of business in the last 30 years or anything.You have a history of trying to defend badly made Chinese crap (e.g. tyres) and their dubious business practices on PH. Dare I ask, do you have a vested interest?
yonex said:
Have you ever been to China, any idea of how they populate factory's. I have. Quite a bit over the years, the Russia and many other places. It's my job. So when somebody starts commenting about 'industry' and 'forces' I have to ask the question, to see if they're basing this knowledge on working in these places or just reading the supplements.
I have my answer, carry on with the thread. Nothing to see here
How they populate factory's what?I have my answer, carry on with the thread. Nothing to see here
Mr2Mike said:
You have a history of trying to defend badly made Chinese crap (e.g. tyres) and their dubious business practices on PH. Dare I ask, do you have a vested interest?
The bold is your inference (ie. that Chinese = crap and shady), and what I am trying to do is point out the error of these assumptions (notwithstanding that they amount to nothing more than xenophobia).You can hold on to that belief all you want, but Chinese industry and economy is developing at a pace we can only dream of. The denigrating of them isn't going to forward our position one jot, and the JLR/Landwind thing is a case-in-point of Western complacency and arrogance leading to a self-inflicted fail with no recourse but to claim a 'moral' superiority, which is just sour grapes.
Edited by r11co on Friday 24th April 21:07
yonex said:
r11co said:
That is a separate argument, but by all means conflate the two issues if it makes you feel righteous, but the fact remains China is eating the industrial establishments' lunch because they just aren't clever enough to compete. JLR will start no legal proceedings against Landwind over the X7 because they know they have already lost, not because of an injustice, but because of their ignorance of the laws of a country they thought they could exploit.
There's nothing clever about copying someone's work using cheap labour and components. LR don't need to sue the copy is just that. The rub is when you visit China the average business owner wouldn't touch Chinese equipment, cars, or tech. Edited by r11co on Wednesday 22 April 15:18
r11co said:
The bold is your inference (ie. that Chinese = crap and shady), and what I am trying to do is point out the error of these assumptions (notwithstanding that they amount to nothing more than xenophobia).
Except that it's not xenophobia, which is why I'm puzzled about your support for such shoddy goods. I have first hand experience of Chinese crap tyres and dangerously made electronic goods.r11co said:
You can hold on to that belief all you want,
Again, it's not a belief, the evidence is all around us.r11co said:
but Chinese industry and economy is developing at a pace we can only dream of. The denigrating of them isn't going to forward our position one jot, and the JLR/Landwind thing is a case-in-point of Western complacency and arrogance leading to a self-inflicted fail with no recourse but to claim a 'moral' superiority, which is just sour grapes.
Western arrogance? How many Western car manufacturers have blatantly ripped off an entire car design and then denied it, keeping a straight face? The Chinese are accomplished liars, it is built into their way of life (as a culture rather than on an individual basis). If you feel that Western business ethics should plumb those depths simply for the sake of our economy then perhaps my initial suspicions were correct.TwigtheWonderkid said:
In 20 years time half of us will be driving Chinese cars and denying that we ever knocked them!
Quit possibly, but not if they continue to pass off badly made rip-offs of Western designs, it's high time they stepped up to the plate and actually designed something decent for themselves. They are excellent at stealing Western technology and copying it at a fraction of the price, but they can't innovate their way out of a paper bag for some reason.Edited by Mr2Mike on Monday 27th April 07:53
Mr2Mike said:
Except that it's not xenophobia
Wikipeda said:
Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.Mr2Mike said:
I have first hand experience of Chinese crap tyres and dangerously made electronic goods.
I have first-hand experience of dangerous electrical goods made in Italy (exploding table lamps!), plus the two times I have had tyres fail on me they were on both occasions made in the UK, but you don't hear me generalising in the negative about everything that comes out of those two nations because of these limited and wholly unrepresentative experiences in the way you are tarring everything Chinese with the crap brush just because of your extended prejudices.Ironic thing is that your opinions (which you are perfectly entitled to) are at odds with the overwhelming majority of trades in Chinese made goods going on the world over that go without hitches. A sincere belief can still be an incorrect one.
Mr2Mike said:
How many Western car manufacturers have blatantly ripped off an entire car design and then denied it, keeping a straight face?
The most famous one of all!Edited by r11co on Monday 27th April 17:45
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