Horrific MLM'ing
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My 22 year old daughter refers to lane three as the fast lane, when I questioned her on it she said that was what her instructor called it.
The issue with lane three now being universally known as the fast lane and lane one being the slow lane is; I think, what causes the issue with MLM's as they don't want to go slow and don't want to go fast so the middle lane is a good compromise.
The issue with lane three now being universally known as the fast lane and lane one being the slow lane is; I think, what causes the issue with MLM's as they don't want to go slow and don't want to go fast so the middle lane is a good compromise.
Triumph Man said:
It seems younger people now are awful drivers, especially on the motorway. I am only 23, but I see loads of people my age or slightly younger either looking completely terrified, or completely distracted.
This is what puzzles me, as I said above, what with the test being far stricter than it was back when I passed over 30 years ago.It's about to get stricter I believe, as they are going to insist on 50 hours minimum of training before you can apply for the test. It does seem that it is seen as a right to be able to drive not a privilege or otherwise surely the instructors could weedle out the people that should never be behind a steering wheel.
There was reality programme that made celebs of idiots who could not pass their test and then celebrated the ones that passed after umpteen attempts. Surely if you can't pass your test in, say 3 attempts then you are banned for 5 years.
Again I do find it surprising that you see so many youngsters driving, especially as the insurance is now eyewatering. It's starting to put me off and I'm in my 50s.
JonRB said:
Many years ago when I had not long passed my test, I asked my mum why she never got out of the middle lane and into the inside lane. She said it was because changing lanes was dangerous and also because she was worried that if she pulled into the inside lane then she might get stuck there and be unable to get out again when she encountered a slower vehicle in the inside lane.
There was so much fundamentally wrong with that, I didn't know where to begin.
I think some drivers just get into the middle lane and go onto mental cruise control.
It's part the mental cruise control, but what worries me is that for some it's fear - they get themselves onto the middle lane and sit there because they are so lacking in confidence about changing lanes. Which suggests a worrying lack of competence. If you're so uncomfortable on the big nasty road, stay the f^&* off it.There was so much fundamentally wrong with that, I didn't know where to begin.
I think some drivers just get into the middle lane and go onto mental cruise control.
HTP99 said:
My 22 year old daughter refers to lane three as the fast lane, when I questioned her on it she said that was what her instructor called it.
The issue with lane three now being universally known as the fast lane and lane one being the slow lane is; I think, what causes the issue with MLM's as they don't want to go slow and don't want to go fast so the middle lane is a good compromise.
I think you hit the nail on the head ... The issue with lane three now being universally known as the fast lane and lane one being the slow lane is; I think, what causes the issue with MLM's as they don't want to go slow and don't want to go fast so the middle lane is a good compromise.
What I find interesting, on a 4 lane motorway, you often see Lane 1&2 empty ... I wonder why?
Europa1 said:
JonRB said:
Many years ago when I had not long passed my test, I asked my mum why she never got out of the middle lane and into the inside lane. She said it was because changing lanes was dangerous and also because she was worried that if she pulled into the inside lane then she might get stuck there and be unable to get out again when she encountered a slower vehicle in the inside lane.
There was so much fundamentally wrong with that, I didn't know where to begin.
I think some drivers just get into the middle lane and go onto mental cruise control.
It's part the mental cruise control, but what worries me is that for some it's fear - they get themselves onto the middle lane and sit there because they are so lacking in confidence about changing lanes. Which suggests a worrying lack of competence. If you're so uncomfortable on the big nasty road, stay the f^&* off it.There was so much fundamentally wrong with that, I didn't know where to begin.
I think some drivers just get into the middle lane and go onto mental cruise control.
Triumph Man said:
If driving scares you, don't do it.
Don't get me started about drivers driving cars clearly physically bigger then they are comfortable (or confident) with driving. It's especially evident in supermarket car parks. It doesn't help that some of these vehicles - for example the Audi Q7 - are the size of a small truck.
croyde said:
This is what puzzles me, as I said above, what with the test being far stricter than it was back when I passed over 30 years ago.
It's about to get stricter I believe, as they are going to insist on 50 hours minimum of training before you can apply for the test. It does seem that it is seen as a right to be able to drive not a privilege or otherwise surely the instructors could weedle out the people that should never be behind a steering wheel.
There was reality programme that made celebs of idiots who could not pass their test and then celebrated the ones that passed after umpteen attempts. Surely if you can't pass your test in, say 3 attempts then you are banned for 5 years.
Again I do find it surprising that you see so many youngsters driving, especially as the insurance is now eyewatering. It's starting to put me off and I'm in my 50s.
Perhaps a little harsh.It's about to get stricter I believe, as they are going to insist on 50 hours minimum of training before you can apply for the test. It does seem that it is seen as a right to be able to drive not a privilege or otherwise surely the instructors could weedle out the people that should never be behind a steering wheel.
There was reality programme that made celebs of idiots who could not pass their test and then celebrated the ones that passed after umpteen attempts. Surely if you can't pass your test in, say 3 attempts then you are banned for 5 years.
Again I do find it surprising that you see so many youngsters driving, especially as the insurance is now eyewatering. It's starting to put me off and I'm in my 50s.
I failed 4 times, each for what I interpreted as trivial or grey areas. I'd been driving and learning for around 2 years and wasn't bothered about passing my test in a rush, so I gained quite a lot of experience. I'd end up as a chauffeur for my dad's driving laziness.
Fail 1 - Moved into the right hand lane at the end of a dual carriageway approaching a right turn on a roundabout. I did this when the roundabout was in sight (say 250m), whereas the instructor said this was dangerous (empty road) and I should have done so at the 1 mile point - at which point I felt I would have been more of a nuisance.
Fail 2 - Didn't cross busy traffic (turning right) when a still moving (15-20mph) Transit flashed its lights manically at me. I maintained that he was (according to the Highway Code) making me aware of his presence. Failed for Hesitation
Fail 3 - Went when a stationary car flashed me to give me right of way at a junction. I was failed for assuming right of way.
Fail 4 - An elderly person was stood in the middle of the road as I turned around a corner in a town back-street. I stopped to give him way, at which point he retreated backwards to the pavement. Failed for not letting him cross (this confused me)
I passed at attempt 5 with 3 minors (changed driving instructor after test #4), and I'd maintain that the constant frustration of failing for things that I'd just not been taught/were trivial made me a better driver. Plenty of lads I knew had passed 1st time at 17 and proceeded to have several lucky-to-be-alive accidents within their first 12 months of driving.
The problem is that the driving test doesn't actually test real life driving accurately, and can serve to give people an inaccurate sense of confidence. Driving tests would be better served with a period of black box monitoring over a 'probation period', in my opinion.
Good evidence would be from some attitudes in the black-box thread.
Been driving well over 10 years now, just to add.
Edited by cj2013 on Monday 24th November 15:38
Edited by cj2013 on Monday 24th November 15:39
cj2013 said:
Perhaps a little harsh.
I failed 4 times, each for what I interpreted as trivial or grey areas. I'd been driving and learning for around 2 years and wasn't bothered about passing my test in a rush, so I gained quite a lot of experience. I'd end up as a chauffeur for my dad's driving laziness.
Fail 1 - Moved into the right hand lane at the end of a dual carriageway approaching a right turn on a roundabout. I did this when the roundabout was in sight (say 250m), whereas the instructor said this was dangerous (empty road) and I should have done so at the 1 mile point - at which point I felt I would have been more of a nuisance.
Fail 2 - Didn't cross busy traffic (turning right) when a still moving (15-20mph) Transit flashed its lights manically at me. I maintained that he was (according to the Highway Code) making me aware of his presence. Failed for Hesitation
Fail 3 - Went when a stationary car flashed me to give me right of way at a junction. I was failed for assuming right of way.
Fail 4 - An elderly person was stood in the middle of the road as I turned around a corner in a town back-street. I stopped to give him way, at which point he retreated backwards to the pavement. Failed for not letting him cross (this confused me)
I passed at attempt 5 with 3 minors (changed driving instructor after test #4), and I'd maintain that the constant frustration of failing for things that I'd just not been taught/were trivial made me a better driver. Plenty of lads I knew had passed 1st time at 17 and proceeded to have several lucky-to-be-alive accidents within their first 12 months of driving.
The problem is that the driving test doesn't actually test real life driving accurately, and can serve to give people an inaccurate sense of confidence. Driving tests would be better served with a period of black box monitoring over a 'probation period', in my opinion.
Good evidence would be from some attitudes in the black-box thread.
Been driving well over 10 years now, just to add.
Was your examiner called Adolf by any chance? Some of them are proper nutcases who are clearly meeting targets to pass or fail X% of drivers in any given month.I failed 4 times, each for what I interpreted as trivial or grey areas. I'd been driving and learning for around 2 years and wasn't bothered about passing my test in a rush, so I gained quite a lot of experience. I'd end up as a chauffeur for my dad's driving laziness.
Fail 1 - Moved into the right hand lane at the end of a dual carriageway approaching a right turn on a roundabout. I did this when the roundabout was in sight (say 250m), whereas the instructor said this was dangerous (empty road) and I should have done so at the 1 mile point - at which point I felt I would have been more of a nuisance.
Fail 2 - Didn't cross busy traffic (turning right) when a still moving (15-20mph) Transit flashed its lights manically at me. I maintained that he was (according to the Highway Code) making me aware of his presence. Failed for Hesitation
Fail 3 - Went when a stationary car flashed me to give me right of way at a junction. I was failed for assuming right of way.
Fail 4 - An elderly person was stood in the middle of the road as I turned around a corner in a town back-street. I stopped to give him way, at which point he retreated backwards to the pavement. Failed for not letting him cross (this confused me)
I passed at attempt 5 with 3 minors (changed driving instructor after test #4), and I'd maintain that the constant frustration of failing for things that I'd just not been taught/were trivial made me a better driver. Plenty of lads I knew had passed 1st time at 17 and proceeded to have several lucky-to-be-alive accidents within their first 12 months of driving.
The problem is that the driving test doesn't actually test real life driving accurately, and can serve to give people an inaccurate sense of confidence. Driving tests would be better served with a period of black box monitoring over a 'probation period', in my opinion.
Good evidence would be from some attitudes in the black-box thread.
Been driving well over 10 years now, just to add.
Edited by cj2013 on Monday 24th November 15:38
Edited by cj2013 on Monday 24th November 15:39
funkyrobot said:
That is a very valid point and conjures up a funny mental image.
I was thinking it might be a similar situation to that video of the S-Class that could stay in a lane by itself with a coke can tied to its steering wheel (to replicate the weight of a human arm). I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the OP isn't in an S-Class though...Leave him to carry on in lane two. That way lane one stays open for me \o/
You'll also probably notice the inverse lane discipline; light traffic in lane one, a bit more traffic in lane two and 75% of all traffic in lane three. Always brings a smile to my face as I waft past in lane one with the lorries and pensioners.
You'll also probably notice the inverse lane discipline; light traffic in lane one, a bit more traffic in lane two and 75% of all traffic in lane three. Always brings a smile to my face as I waft past in lane one with the lorries and pensioners.
I failed the first 2 times, and passed the 3rd. First time I simply wasn't ready and was rushed into it. The second was borderline. Third time I breezed through.
I then went on to pass my IAM Advanced Driving test and have had various other advanced driver training and car handling courses since.
It always amuses me when I talk to people who proudly say they passed first time and are thus good drivers, yet have never done a jot of driver training since.
But I digress.
I then went on to pass my IAM Advanced Driving test and have had various other advanced driver training and car handling courses since.
It always amuses me when I talk to people who proudly say they passed first time and are thus good drivers, yet have never done a jot of driver training since.
But I digress.
There were lots of cars sitting in the middle lane on the M6 last night. The stretch I take from Carlisle to Penrith is usually quite quiet so they are easy to spot trundling along. I've given up crossing all the lanes to overtake them so generally tend to undertake them with caution and they seem completely oblivious to it all!
Another thing I've noticed now is when overtaking an HGV/slower vehicle in lane 2 at around the legal limit, people will sit right up my tail waiting for me to pull back into lane 1 instead of overtaking me in lane 3 which is clear to use! They must be either too lazy to change lane or don't understand how the motorway works.
Another thing I've noticed now is when overtaking an HGV/slower vehicle in lane 2 at around the legal limit, people will sit right up my tail waiting for me to pull back into lane 1 instead of overtaking me in lane 3 which is clear to use! They must be either too lazy to change lane or don't understand how the motorway works.
Swanny87 said:
Was your examiner called Adolf by any chance? Some of them are proper nutcases who are clearly meeting targets to pass or fail X% of drivers in any given month.
Lol no. He was an old bloke. Can't recall his surname, but this guy was white haired one-foot-in-the-grave type. Wasn't 'Mr Spencer', but it began with an 'S' or 'Sp...'. and was equally headmaster like. It's on the tip of my tongue - might have been 'Speake', but means little anyway. He was the type who would exaggerate the braking and throw himself forwards and backward in the seat in an exaggerated way.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff