BMW or Audi?

[fatboy b]

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

[fatboy b]

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

Having owned all three. I'd agree.

[DallaraV8]

As others have said drive a good number of miles in your short list cars - to assist with back problems Audis do seem to offset the driving seat more than BMWs and in my experience Bimmers will give your back less grief for this reason. Jags may have even better driving position due to being built in a RHD country rather than the poorly 'converted' German offerings.

[Benbay001]

Skoda Superb 3.6v6 4x4

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

Now that is VFM!

Or this one
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...

[blade7]

RobM77 said:

Eh? My first post was one page ago on page 2. I ended it with the phrase 'sign off' to mean I was finishing my post, not my postings to the entire thread

Can we look forward to your "sign off" from posting how pointless 4wd is on the road, you've been banging that tired old drum on PH for years

[RobM77]

blade7 said:

RobM77 said:

Eh? My first post was one page ago on page 2. I ended it with the phrase 'sign off' to mean I was finishing my post, not my postings to the entire thread

Can we look forward to your "sign off" from posting how pointless 4wd is on the road, you've been banging that tired old drum on PH for years

I haven't said any such thing on this thread, I've simply stated that with winter tyres the RWD car will be fine and then on that basis advised the OP to try both and buy the car that he prefers driving. We're advising someone what car to buy, not expressing our own opinions and saying what car we would rather have - that's a different conversation entirely.

[McSam]

fatboy b said:

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

I've owned two six-cylinder manual A4s, and now I own two six-cylinder manual BMWs. I'm not going back, either. What do you think was wrong about that statement to answer the title question?

[gizlaroc]

McSam said:

fatboy b said:

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

I've owned two six-cylinder manual A4s, and now I own two six-cylinder manual BMWs. I'm not going back, either. What do you think was wrong about that statement to answer the title question?

I think he was laughing in agreement, blunt but fair.

He is driving a RWD Jag, he has owned a few BMWs and the one Audi, I see many people with one Audi in there garage as past cars, it says a lot.

Audi is an itch that needs scratching for many as the fanboys beat on about it, but of you are coming from a BMW or RWD car many will find them a bit......hmmm.

[lowdrag]

Recommending a diesel with "5,000 miles per annum tops" is sheer folly. It has to be petrol since the DPF problems will come home to haunt the OP. But I am puzzled too, since with the mention of snow I looked at the profile and see he lives in the south east. For the amount of snow there it isn't really a consideration. If it was the highlands, then 4x4 or FWD certainly.

The point is that with back trouble I don't see the car being used in opposite-lock mode, and we all know that in the real world there is little difference between driving an Audi or a Beemer. So I'd just say to the OP to buy the one he feels most comfortable in. That counts for a lot.

[TA14]

lowdrag said:

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No Jag recommendation from you???

[anonymous-user]

lowdrag said:

Recommending a diesel with "5,000 miles per annum tops" is sheer folly. It has to be petrol since the DPF problems will come home to haunt the OP. But I am puzzled too, since with the mention of snow I looked at the profile and see he lives in the south east. For the amount of snow there it isn't really a consideration. If it was the highlands, then 4x4 or FWD certainly.

The point is that with back trouble I don't see the car being used in opposite-lock mode, and we all know that in the real world there is little difference between driving an Audi or a Beemer. So I'd just say to the OP to buy the one he feels most comfortable in. That counts for a lot.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here - for most drivers in their daily car how comfortable the seats are is more important that which wheels are driven, what fuel it uses and how much power it has. If you have something cripplingly uncomfortable you're going to fking hate it, no matter how great it might be dynamically. I'd be really careful buying an Audi if you have a bad back as I find their seats to be a real mixed bag in various models.

If you want understated and comfortable (and a billy bargain) and have back trouble then try a Volvo S80 or V70 if you want an estate. Dynamically pretty dull but in a different league for driver comfort and with the absolute best seats in the business. I'm willing to overlook how mediocre most Volvos are to fling around on a twisty road for how supremely comfortable and competent they are in normal daily car usage. Nobody thinks you're a cock or paperclip salesman in a big Volvo either and a V70 doesn't look out of place anywhere.

[Wills2]

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

The XF screams retired middle management.....

[windydog]

Wills2 said:

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

The XF screams retired middle management.....

Who made the right decisions and can stop work at 40. It's my pick too.

[xRIEx]

Wills2 said:

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

The XF screams retired middle management.....

I'll file that statement next to "Audi TTs/MX-5s/SLKs are hairdressers' cars."

[Wills2]

xRIEx said:

Wills2 said:

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

The XF screams retired middle management.....

I'll file that statement next to "Audi TTs/MX-5s/SLKs are hairdressers' cars."

Yes you can, along with the other post above mine..

[windydog]

Not seen any shouts for the obvious Merc E on here, In some ways it sits right between them and can offer more in others.

Back to the OP, it appears that because only BMW and Audi are mentioned that there is a desired image involved. What are you trying to do or communicate?

5000 miles a year suddenly brings down the relative costs of Range Rovers et al, and a multitude of exclusive brands. No way I would go for a german diesel if you're doing that mileage.

[bodhi]

Going by the XF my colleague has just bought I'd say XF screams "Please call the AA it's fked again".

Seems a lovely car not particularly well put together. The Jag main dealer he bought it from seem especially incompetent too.

[anonymous-user]

bodhi said:

Going by the XF my colleague has just bought I'd say XF screams "Please call the AA it's fked again".

Seems a lovely car not particularly well put together. The Jag main dealer he bought it from seem especially incompetent too.

Tradition, that is. Good, solid, British tradition.

[Jim AK]

5000 miles PA That's 100 a week.

I'd go for whatever you fancy & I certainly wouldn't worry about snow tyres.

Chances are you either won't be out when the snow is here or you wont want to drive in it anyway.

[Roundozo]

gizlaroc said:

I see many people with one Audi in there garage as past cars, it says a lot.

^ This.

Had Audi, was OK, wouldn't go back
Had BMW, loved it, have gone back.