BMW or Audi?

[cerb4.5lee]

Roundozo said:

gizlaroc said:

I see many people with one Audi in there garage as past cars, it says a lot.

^ This.

Had Audi, was OK, wouldn't go back
Had BMW, loved it, have gone back.

Agree and that's the same for me.

[Wild Rumpus]

Benbay001 said:

Skoda Superb 3.6v6 4x4

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

Now that is VFM!

Or this one
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...

The first one is more expensive than buying one new from Broadspeed!
https://broadspeed.com/new_cars/Skoda/Superb/Choos...

[fatboy b]

xRIEx said:

Wills2 said:

PanzerCommander said:

A gentlemans carriage; then go for a nice Jaguar (XF). To me a BMW or Audi scream middle management rather than gentleman, but its up to you

The XF screams retired middle management.....

I'll file that statement next to "Audi TTs/MX-5s/SLKs are hairdressers' cars."

[fatboy b]

McSam said:

fatboy b said:

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

I've owned two six-cylinder manual A4s, and now I own two six-cylinder manual BMWs. I'm not going back, either. What do you think was wrong about that statement to answer the title question?

Having owned early 2000 beemers, and been in newer ones, the XF runs rings around them for the driving experience. It's a well sorted chassis that the Germans can only dream of. Feel free to add a rofl if you think I'm wrong.

[RobM77]

fatboy b said:

McSam said:

fatboy b said:

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

I've owned two six-cylinder manual A4s, and now I own two six-cylinder manual BMWs. I'm not going back, either. What do you think was wrong about that statement to answer the title question?

Having owned early 2000 beemers, and been in newer ones, the XF runs rings around them for the driving experience. It's a well sorted chassis that the Germans can only dream of. Feel free to add a rofl if you think I'm wrong.

I can't comment on the XF, as I've not driven one (although they're certainly worth a look - in fact I think I was the first person to mention them on this thread), but do bear in mind that the early 2000s was just about the low point for BMW. I've driven quite a number of BMWs from 1990 up to the present day and the worst I've ever driven all hark from that era.

[Mave]

fatboy b said:

Having owned early 2000 beemers, and been in newer ones, the XF runs rings around them for the driving experience. It's a well sorted chassis that the Germans can only dream of. Feel free to add a rofl if you think I'm wrong.

So... You're ROLFing at someone answering the OP? Or did I miss when Audi introduced their new XF model? :-)

[corvus]

DallaraV8 said:

As others have said drive a good number of miles in your short list cars - to assist with back problems Audis do seem to offset the driving seat more than BMWs and in my experience Bimmers will give your back less grief for this reason. Jags may have even better driving position due to being built in a RHD country rather than the poorly 'converted' German offerings.

The best thing you can do with BMW's is choose SE spec with small wheels and sports seats. In a way it's almost like the old days when you had to pay for the option of a stereo, because the standard seats aren't even worth sitting in and need to be replaced immediately. Unfortunately, to get sports seats, you then have to buy a car with sports suspension (unless you're buying new), so you get the support but couple that with a jarring ride.

[lowdrag]

TA14 said:

lowdrag said:

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No Jag recommendation from you???

Not having experienced a modern Jaguar, but having owned the other two, no. But it has to be said that the price of an XJ second hand makes it tempting, especially in petrol version. But then I don't know Volvo or any of the other makes either, but I still come back to the point that for such limited mileage and given the medical history of the OP a year it should be comfortable above all else.

[McSam]

fatboy b said:

McSam said:

fatboy b said:

Debaser said:

If you like driving, get the BMW.

I've owned two six-cylinder manual A4s, and now I own two six-cylinder manual BMWs. I'm not going back, either. What do you think was wrong about that statement to answer the title question?

Having owned early 2000 beemers, and been in newer ones, the XF runs rings around them for the driving experience. It's a well sorted chassis that the Germans can only dream of. Feel free to add a rofl if you think I'm wrong.

I don't see the relevance to the title question, and I don't see the relevance of comparing a ten-plus year old BMW to a new Jag either!

I do really rather fancy an XF but certainly not because I expect it to be a more involving or dynamic package than a 5er.

[ORD]

corvus said:

DallaraV8 said:

As others have said drive a good number of miles in your short list cars - to assist with back problems Audis do seem to offset the driving seat more than BMWs and in my experience Bimmers will give your back less grief for this reason. Jags may have even better driving position due to being built in a RHD country rather than the poorly 'converted' German offerings.

The best thing you can do with BMW's is choose SE spec with small wheels and sports seats. In a way it's almost like the old days when you had to pay for the option of a stereo, because the standard seats aren't even worth sitting in and need to be replaced immediately. Unfortunately, to get sports seats, you then have to buy a car with sports suspension (unless you're buying new), so you get the support but couple that with a jarring ride.

The SE suspension is absolutely awful! M Sport is just about on the firm side; SE is wallowy, unpredictable and just terrible.

[cerb4.5lee]

ORD said:

The SE suspension is absolutely awful! M Sport is just about on the firm side; SE is wallowy, unpredictable and just terrible.

I sometimes think we must be joined at the hip! because that is exactly how I felt when I tried a 330d SE and M Sport back to back, I am not keen on run flats but the SE suspension didn't give me any confidence whatsoever, and I would imagine piloting a boat gives less roll in the corners and then you fall out of the seat as well because it doesn't have any support.

[Fox-]

corvus said:

The best thing you can do with BMW's is choose SE spec with small wheels and sports seats. In a way it's almost like the old days when you had to pay for the option of a stereo, because the standard seats aren't even worth sitting in and need to be replaced immediately. Unfortunately, to get sports seats, you then have to buy a car with sports suspension (unless you're buying new), so you get the support but couple that with a jarring ride.

This isn't really the case.

Firstly the standard seats in the F10 are actually very good for standard seats. The best standard seats I've ever sat in in a BMW - they even have a level of side support in a way that previous SE seats have not.

Secondly it's not true to say you have to buy a car with sports suspension to get sport seats. You don't. Infact a significant proportion of SE specification F10's have Sport seats including my car. They were available either as a standalone option, which quite a few people opted for, or they came with the Dynamic Pack which was a very common choice on the higher spec cars before M Sport appeared and added Sport Seats, Sport Steeering wheel, anthracite headlining, high gloss shadow-line and 19 inch wheels but crucially did NOT add Sport Suspension.

[ORD]

cerb4.5lee said:

ORD said:

The SE suspension is absolutely awful! M Sport is just about on the firm side; SE is wallowy, unpredictable and just terrible.

I sometimes think we must be joined at the hip! because that is exactly how I felt when I tried a 330d SE and M Sport back to back, I am not keen on run flats but the SE suspension didn't give me any confidence whatsoever, and I would imagine piloting a boat gives less roll in the corners and then you fall out of the seat as well because it doesn't have any support.

The thing is that the car is fundamentally well-balanced and sorted: even on the SE suspension, it can actually be made to corner quickly, and it has decent traction; BUT that requires trail-braking and a lot of commitment to plough through the really unpleasant floaty sensation and trust the chassis. It is in relaxed driving that the suspension is most disconcerting - it makes the car feel as though it is not connected to the road!

[corvus]

Fox- said:

This isn't really the case.

Disregard my post. Just realised that we are talking about the 5 series. As you were.

[gizlaroc]

Roundozo said:

gizlaroc said:

I see many people with one Audi in there garage as past cars, it says a lot.

^ This.

Had Audi, was OK, wouldn't go back
Had BMW, loved it, have gone back.

I cant believe I put 'there' when it should have been 'their', maybe I should punish myself for the next 12 months with an Audi!!!??

[RobM77]

gizlaroc said:

Roundozo said:

gizlaroc said:

I see many people with one Audi in there garage as past cars, it says a lot.

^ This.

Had Audi, was OK, wouldn't go back
Had BMW, loved it, have gone back.

I cant believe I put 'there' when it should have been 'their', maybe I should punish myself for the next 12 months with an Audi!!!??

Nothing's that bad! We'll let you off

[gizlaroc]

RobM77 said:

Nothing's that bad! We'll let you off

[blade7]

gizlaroc said:

I cant believe I put 'there' when it should have been 'their', maybe I should punish myself for the next 12 months with an Audi!!!??

Well you've had 8 so far apparently...

[gizlaroc]

blade7 said:

Well you've had 8 so far apparently...

Yeah I know, I keep logging into the Audi forums and hearing how much better they are, and I want to believe them so try yet another, only to be left feeling a little bit sick with my purchase.


To be fair, the 3.2 A6 Quattro Avant I had last time was a really nice car, but I bought it in SE guise to be a big family barge that was comfy and it did the job well.

I would buy another A6 avant in Quattro form, I would buy a Q5, I would buy an allroad and I would happily have an A8, but I have learnt not to buy an Audi with the intent of it having any driving dynamics. Audi design their cars to be safe and a bit dull to drive, so as long as you recognise that they don't disappoint imho.

[blade7]

Maybe you should try an RS Audi ?