Ling Long Winter tyres, any good ?

Ling Long Winter tyres, any good ?

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Nigel Worc's

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8,121 posts

187 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Anyone have experience of these ?

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/ling-long/gr...

The label suggests they are as good as anything else (It's the wet rating on winter tyres that concerns me the most).

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Someone will be along soon to ridicule them because of their name. Someone else will say 'tyres are the only thing keeping you on the road, don't scrimp on them'.

Someone else will say the ECE ratings are nonsense because the manufacturers themselves put the rating on them, or they are done under unrealistic conditions that do not match the real world.

I think you probably know yourself that these will be better than 3 year old summer tyres that are a hair's-width above the legal limit when the really bad weather comes along.

Also, Linglong's Greenmax range seem to be performing well in tyre tests - certainly up there with some of the better known mid-line brands.

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 26th November 09:46

poing

8,743 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Just buy them and if you crash and explode then let us know so we can avoid them biggrin

If it was me then it would depend on the car and use as much as anything else. For a cheap little Fiat Panda to take shopping and leave at the pub then they would be just fine, for a GTR doing 20,000 miles a year across Europe's best roads then maybe not so much.

Nigel Worc's

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8,121 posts

187 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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They are cheap enough for me to be able to afford having a set on standby for any winter spells we have (I have spare wheels).

I think I'm going to order them, got to be worth a punt in my opinion.

LadfromManc

94 posts

124 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Personally. I'd spend the extra 40p or so and go for the nankang sv2.

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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5 quid a tyre more for these:

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...

How is it possibly worth the saving?

PlayersNo6

1,102 posts

155 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Why buy Chinese @ £37 when for only a couple of quid more you can get Kumho, Cooper or Falken? You can even get Goodyears for £43.89...

EDIT - Didn't see Fox post above re Goodyear

Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Black and round, all I need.

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Fox- said:
5 quid a tyre more for these:

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/goodyear/ult...

How is it possibly worth the saving?
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......

Nigel Worc's

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8,121 posts

187 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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TheAngryDog said:
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......
I noticed that, the lingy longy one is a C.

Most of the winter tyres seem to have poor ratings in the wet.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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gazza285 said:
Black and round, all I need.
We don't want to know you sicko!!

Fox-

13,228 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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TheAngryDog said:
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......
Yea, I wouldn't pay much attention to the EU tyre label. That Goodyear will be better all round than the Linglong. Winter tyres typically do quite poorly in the EU wet ratings anyway so I wouldn't be picking a tyre based on those useless stickers.

If wet performance is your primary concern you'd probably be better off with a tyre with proven wet credentials - though they are hard to find in smaller sizes and tend only to be available in larger sizes (Tyres like the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or Continental SportContact 5P).

Billy_rfc

587 posts

254 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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My girl runs the summer greenmaxs on her mondeo and tbh I was amazed at there performance. In the wet they are far superior to the kumos she had fitted to the front to replace them after they wore out. Defo thumbs up for the linglong.

Billy.

rallycross

12,744 posts

236 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Cheap Chinese tyres = poor performance, is that really any surprise to anyone.??

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Fox- said:
TheAngryDog said:
Goodyear have rated the tyre as an E for wet grip. Much of winter is wet......
Yea, I wouldn't pay much attention to the EU tyre label. That Goodyear will be better all round than the Linglong. Winter tyres typically do quite poorly in the EU wet ratings anyway so I wouldn't be picking a tyre based on those useless stickers.

If wet performance is your primary concern you'd probably be better off with a tyre with proven wet credentials - though they are hard to find in smaller sizes and tend only to be available in larger sizes (Tyres like the Eagle F1 Asymmetric or Continental SportContact 5P).
Of course, but as I said, much of winter is wet.

BritishRacinGrin

24,602 posts

159 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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rofl

'Linglong must be better than Goodyear because the label says so'

rofl

Here's what I predict. The tyres will perform similarly in snow; making a snow tyre isn't difficult. The Goodyears will out-perform the Linglongs in the wet due to better tread design, construction and the compound used. They'll also feel a hundred times better subjectively for these reasons. In the dry the Linglongs will be comical, the wear rate will probably be astonishing and the car will feel like it's on half inflated tyres, they'll also make a bloody racket. The Goodyears will feel a bit stodgy when pressing on but virtually indistinguishable from a summer with gentle driving.

I am not a tyre snob, I just do not believe that a Linglong is going to perform as well as a Goodyear just because the manufacturer self-assessed label rating says so.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong if they have tried both.

ETA: Oh and another thing; for the purposes of the EU label, 'D' rating does not exist. This is for some stupid reason that I'm yet to comprehend, but supposedly it is intended to 'draw a distinct line between a good tyre and a bad one'. What it actually does is cause two tyres which have performed quite similarly in a given test to be seperated misleadingly by two ratings, in this case 'C' and 'E'.

ETA: ETA: If 'wet performance is your priority', why are you looking at full winters anyway? There are good affordable all-season options available;

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/kleber/quadr...

Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Wednesday 26th November 01:48

Patrick Bateman

12,143 posts

173 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Pretty sure those nonsense tyre ratings are in the same conditions whether it's a summer or winter tyre, hence poor ratings for the winter tyres as they're not being tested in cold conditions for rating purposes.

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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BritishRacinGrin said:
rofl

'Linglong must be better than Goodyear because the label says so'

rofl

Here's what I predict. The tyres will perform similarly in snow; making a snow tyre isn't difficult. The Goodyears will out-perform the Linglongs in the wet due to better tread design, construction and the compound used. They'll also feel a hundred times better subjectively for these reasons. In the dry the Linglongs will be comical, the wear rate will probably be astonishing and the car will feel like it's on half inflated tyres, they'll also make a bloody racket. The Goodyears will feel a bit stodgy when pressing on but virtually indistinguishable from a summer with gentle driving.

I am not a tyre snob, I just do not believe that a Linglong is going to perform as well as a Goodyear just because the manufacturer self-assessed label rating says so.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong if they have tried both.

ETA: Oh and another thing; for the purposes of the EU label, 'D' rating does not exist. This is for some stupid reason that I'm yet to comprehend, but supposedly it is intended to 'draw a distinct line between a good tyre and a bad one'. What it actually does is cause two tyres which have performed quite similarly in a given test to be seperated misleadingly by two ratings, in this case 'C' and 'E'.

ETA: ETA: If 'wet performance is your priority', why are you looking at full winters anyway? There are good affordable all-season options available;

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/kleber/quadr...

Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Wednesday 26th November 01:48
I never said LingLong's were better than the Goodyears, I do not think they're in the same post code, let alone ball park. I was just merely pointing out the rating of E given by Goodyear themselves about the wet grip. While I do appreciate the ratings are meaningless, why make a tyre look worse than it is? The tyres on my car are not there because I've bothered to check out these labels. They're on the car because other owners have said they're good. I think they're ok but will not be buying another set, but tyres are emotive anyway. The average car owner will just buy what they're offered. The enthusiast generally has a different view and will research their tyre choices, and will buy a 'better' tyre.

Re your wet performance comment, as Winter inherently is more wet than snowy, would you not want your winter tyres to give good grip in the wet, as well as performing their duties in more wintry conditions?

BritishRacinGrin

24,602 posts

159 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Alright TAD I won't disagree with any of that, I just wanted to get that in to point out the flaws in the label and back up those who are saying "Spend an extra fiver and get a tyre which is an order of magnitude better".

Regarding your last comment, The Kleber Quadraxers I linked will perform better in the wet than the vast majority of winter tyres, much better in the warm and dry too, whilst retaining snow and ice performance which is much better than any summer and probably not far off a bad winter tyre. All this and they're barely any more expensive than the Linglongs. It seems a better compromise for the OP who wants wet grip.
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