Ling Long Winter tyres, any good ?
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otolith said:
There will always be people who have an MOT failure and no money. That's always been the market for this stuff.
No - that's where barely legal part-worns come in.To try and get back on topic, the pricepoint of the LL Greenmax tyres is much closer to more established offerings than used to be the case for far-eastern offerings. LL clearly have enough confidence in the product to believe that it will sell on more than just massive price differential.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 26th November 13:31
surveyor said:
I never really believed in ditch finders until I bought my current car that the trader had chucked some tyres on the back of.
The grip is laughable. First time I've had to remind myself of tyres before attempting to pull out. I keep forgetting to check the make, but presume Chinese.
Then there must be something else wrong also. I have driven many differnt cars with many different make of tyre on them from cheapies to expensive but ALL of them have been perfectly adequate. Categorising a tyre as 'laughable' is so vague and ambiguous without knowing all the other contributing factors involved that is becomes a source of mirth in itself. It's like many people who try to out do each other using more and more random words to emphasize their position. The grip is laughable. First time I've had to remind myself of tyres before attempting to pull out. I keep forgetting to check the make, but presume Chinese.
With all these rubbish Chinese tyres around I amazed the ditches of Britain are not littered with cars on fire!
Road2Ruin said:
surveyor said:
I never really believed in ditch finders until I bought my current car that the trader had chucked some tyres on the back of.
The grip is laughable. First time I've had to remind myself of tyres before attempting to pull out. I keep forgetting to check the make, but presume Chinese.
Then there must be something else wrong also. I have driven many differnt cars with many different make of tyre on them from cheapies to expensive but ALL of them have been perfectly adequate. Categorising a tyre as 'laughable' is so vague and ambiguous without knowing all the other contributing factors involved that is becomes a source of mirth in itself. It's like many people who try to out do each other using more and more random words to emphasize their position. The grip is laughable. First time I've had to remind myself of tyres before attempting to pull out. I keep forgetting to check the make, but presume Chinese.
With all these rubbish Chinese tyres around I amazed the ditches of Britain are not littered with cars on fire!
Seriously I've been driving cars for 17 years at 30k a year. I know what I can expect from a tyre and in the wet (or damp) these offer for less grip than I would ever expect. I will not change them until they are getting lower, but will not be replacing like for like.
surveyor said:
Seriously I've been driving cars for 17 years at 30k a year. I know what I can expect from a tyre and in the wet (or damp) these offer for less grip than I would ever expect. I will not change them until they are getting lower, but will not be replacing like for like.
I once binned a set of Champiro GT Radials with plenty of tread left (they had been fitted by the previous owner). They were terrible. If you're not happy with them, get rid, IMO. r11co said:
otolith said:
There will always be people who have an MOT failure and no money. That's always been the market for this stuff.
No - that's where barely legal part-worns come in.otolith said:
Largely the same market, IMO. Remoulds, part-worns, bargain basement tyres - car has failed MOT on bald tyres, unexpected bill, how can I get the car legal again with the minimum expenditure of money. There are some people looking at value for money, most of them want the cheapest solution that seems acceptable to them. Nice tyre man offers them a pair of brand new cheapies, tells them they are just as good as the more expensive tyres (wonder which he has most margin on?) and off they go.
Which accounts in no way for the millions of (decent) far-eastern manufactured tyres sold by on-line resellers every year.r11co said:
Well, shut up then.
Sorry, I forgot to add in my list of cheap tyre clichés - someone will be along to give their experiences of a different product in order to damn the one being asked about by association.
No I think I'll keep going. This is an open public forum after all and I suspect that it is quite unlikely that anyone who has any real world experience of this tyre will be posting. So in my opinion sharing my experience of one of Linglongs other products is worthwhile. Sorry, I forgot to add in my list of cheap tyre clichés - someone will be along to give their experiences of a different product in order to damn the one being asked about by association.
My experience of one of their products was poor enough to try to discourage someone else from wasting their money on another one. I have had much better experience's with Nexen and for the difference in price I know what my choice would be.
Why are you commenting if you do not have any experience of this particular tyre? Try posting something helpful or useful if you choose to reply.
r11co said:
There is a real 'head-in-the-sand' issue here with some people who simply refuse to acknowledge that Chinese product development is moving very quickly
Similar to the head in the sand that refuses to acknowledge the results of testing and other people experiences that show, on the whole, that the cheapest budget tyres perform very badly compared to even mid-range tyres.I looked at the thread title and knew you would be attempting (and failing) to convince everyone how good the Chinese offerings are
Why do you actually bother? Do you have some kind of vested interest?Road2Ruin said:
With all these rubbish Chinese tyres around I amazed the ditches of Britain are not littered with cars on fire!
I'm amazed you don't realise that "ditchfinders" is a simply derogatory term for crap tyres!I do wonder how many accidents and associated injuries/deaths could have been prevented by vehicles that could have stopped a few car lengths sooner though. Certainly the number of insurance claims must be significant. If the people that buy LingLongs bother with insurance of course.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 26th November 18:51
Mr2Mike said:
I'm amazed you don't realise that "ditchfinders" is a simply derogatory term for crap tyres!
I do wonder how many accidents and associated injuries/deaths could have been prevented by vehicles that could have stopped a few car lengths sooner though. Certainly the number of insurance claims must be significant. If the people that buy LingLongs bother with insurance of course.
I am amazed that you don't realise that the term 'ditchfinders' is used by people as a form of brand snobbery. Which is clearly illustrated by your half baked insinuation that people who use budget tyres may not even insure their vehicle! Oh how the poor must shudder in your shadow.I do wonder how many accidents and associated injuries/deaths could have been prevented by vehicles that could have stopped a few car lengths sooner though. Certainly the number of insurance claims must be significant. If the people that buy LingLongs bother with insurance of course.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 26th November 18:51
More insurance claims are caused by driver error than any other cause. I wonder how many of them had premium tyres on their vehicles? Surely that must have been a contributing factor...?
Road2Ruin said:
TheAngryDog said:
Of course, £5 a tyre is f
k all, so 4 tyres is £20 - a few beers with the other half in the local boozer. Would be madness not to buy a better set of tyres over £50, let alone £20.
I agree...however...just because they are more expensive does it make them better? The tyres are only the start and I would say the driver, roads and condition of the vehicle add more to the equation that £5.00 can't compnesate for if it even did in the first place. Of course there is a lot of security, often misplaced, in brand names and the brands know this. k all, so 4 tyres is £20 - a few beers with the other half in the local boozer. Would be madness not to buy a better set of tyres over £50, let alone £20. nickofh said:
My experience of one of their products was poor enough to try to discourage someone else from wasting their money on another one. I have had much better experience's with Nexen and for the difference in price I know what my choice would be.
The irony being that Nexen is a Korean brand that was being summarily dismissed along with its compatriots Kumho and Hankook in this very forum not so long ago simply for being Korean and not of the established brands. I do believe the term ditchfinder was originally coined around them.Even when I pointed out seven year ago that Hankook tyres were being line fitted by Volkswagen I was argued out of town for even suggesting that a comically-named tyre could be anything but rubbish. Clearly PH forum posters at the time knew better than the Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft.
My continued ire over the irrational criticism levelled at value tyres is that most of those commenting today are displaying the same traits as the prejudiced souls from a decade ago who have since been proved wrong.
My point being that opinions date very quickly and are practically worthless if they are grounded on a limited span of experience, knowledge and research. They can be discounted completely if they do not even touch upon the subject being discussed.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 26th November 22:50
I had a set of Linglong winters on my MX5. Compared to other winter tyres I've had (Pirelli, Bridgestone and Toyo) they seemed as good as anything else in snow, about average in the dry, and normally fine in the wet. However occasionally they would be terrible in the wet.
Dunno if it was an extreme reaction to diesel or something, but for a while both my and the Mrs' cars had the same tyres and we'd both find them terrible to drive on the same road home (her in her Civic, me in the MX5), but only in a wet, when it wasn't cold, but not all the time. I didn't do a back to back test with other winters on the same route on the same day, so I can't make any conclusions.
She still has them, wants them fitted this weekend because she hugely prefers them to her summer tyres in winter. But she is only a girl, albeit a girl who is able to spot when it's time to swap tyres just by how her car reacts.
I've got some Vredsteins to try this year, on my Elise. Got the rears for free, so I expect them to be terrible because of market forces.
Dunno if it was an extreme reaction to diesel or something, but for a while both my and the Mrs' cars had the same tyres and we'd both find them terrible to drive on the same road home (her in her Civic, me in the MX5), but only in a wet, when it wasn't cold, but not all the time. I didn't do a back to back test with other winters on the same route on the same day, so I can't make any conclusions.
She still has them, wants them fitted this weekend because she hugely prefers them to her summer tyres in winter. But she is only a girl, albeit a girl who is able to spot when it's time to swap tyres just by how her car reacts.
I've got some Vredsteins to try this year, on my Elise. Got the rears for free, so I expect them to be terrible because of market forces.
Captain Muppet said:
I had a set of Linglong winters on my MX5. Compared to other winter tyres I've had (Pirelli, Bridgestone and Toyo) they seemed as good as anything else in snow, about average in the dry, and normally fine in the wet. However occasionally they would be terrible in the wet.
Dunno if it was an extreme reaction to diesel or something, but for a while both my and the Mrs' cars had the same tyres and we'd both find them terrible to drive on the same road home (her in her Civic, me in the MX5), but only in a wet, when it wasn't cold, but not all the time. I didn't do a back to back test with other winters on the same route on the same day, so I can't make any conclusions.
She still has them, wants them fitted this weekend because she hugely prefers them to her summer tyres in winter. But she is only a girl, albeit a girl who is able to spot when it's time to swap tyres just by how her car reacts.
I've got some Vredsteins to try this year, on my Elise. Got the rears for free, so I expect them to be terrible because of market forces.
Many thanksDunno if it was an extreme reaction to diesel or something, but for a while both my and the Mrs' cars had the same tyres and we'd both find them terrible to drive on the same road home (her in her Civic, me in the MX5), but only in a wet, when it wasn't cold, but not all the time. I didn't do a back to back test with other winters on the same route on the same day, so I can't make any conclusions.
She still has them, wants them fitted this weekend because she hugely prefers them to her summer tyres in winter. But she is only a girl, albeit a girl who is able to spot when it's time to swap tyres just by how her car reacts.
I've got some Vredsteins to try this year, on my Elise. Got the rears for free, so I expect them to be terrible because of market forces.
No experience if Ling Long but I do have Nankang N607 all seasons on a Ford Galaxy. They were reasonably priced, not the cheapest.
I wanted to try all season tyres as I feel given the wether overall they are the best compromise.
They have been fine in the wet and dry. There wasn't really cold weather to test 'winter' ability of the tyre but they feel solid and reassuring in cold and heavy rain.
I wanted to try all season tyres as I feel given the wether overall they are the best compromise.
They have been fine in the wet and dry. There wasn't really cold weather to test 'winter' ability of the tyre but they feel solid and reassuring in cold and heavy rain.
Surely the fact that Korean brands can be accepted if they have a track record of producing decent tyres is indicative that there isn't irrational prejudice, rather that people are unwilling to spend money on tyres which haven't managed to earn that reputation. Some of these cheap tyres are st - all of those I've experienced, in fact - so I'm not going to take a chance until they've demonstrated that they are good.
t - all of those I've experienced, in fact - so I'm not going to take a chance until they've demonstrated that they are good.otolith said:
Surely the fact that Korean brands can be accepted if they have a track record of producing decent tyres is indicative that there isn't irrational prejudice, rather that people are unwilling to spend money on tyres which haven't managed to earn that reputation.
Nice bit of backtracking there, and that does not explain the need for some people to take every opportunity to tar the reputation of products they have had no involvement with.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff