RE: MY2015 Nissan GT-R updates

RE: MY2015 Nissan GT-R updates

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J4CKO

41,277 posts

199 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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crosseyedlion said:
Boonster said:
There is a £50k alternative, it's called a used GTR
If you start going into used options it gets even worse. I'd rather a Ferrari 550/575 than a new GTR. But that's irrelevant.

A used one at 50k theres a load of other interesting machinery too. But thats not the point - we're talking about 80k for a new car. 50-55k for a new GTR and it makes sense (to me) 80k for one and its barmy.
You cant get a 911 for 80k, cant get an R8 for 80, A Ferrari starts at double that.

Not sure what else you can get that gets anywhere close for the same money.

liner33

10,640 posts

201 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
Id rather have the new C7 Z06 than this for £80k.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS9nV-qtXro
Look great but plagued by recalls , in fact GM have made history with the amount of recalls this year having recalled 29 million cars, many of these have been recalled even before delivery.

Hate the new wheels on the R35 , not a step forward

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

246 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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crosseyedlion said:
I dont buy cars to be seen - but I just couldn't deal with the fact I'd bought an 80k mass-produced nissan.

Thats your problem, sunshine.

GT-R buyers recognise that they have a car which changed everything when it was introduced and even now, 7 years on, is only just being equalled by the likes of Porsche.

The GT-R appeals to people who appreciate the fact that it was ( and probably still is ) a game changing car. At a technical level, the engineering behind the GT-R was simply astonishing back in 2007 and it is still way up there even now.

A Jaguar F Type, for example, is a donkey cart in comparison.

You either appreciate the GT-R tech ethos, or you don't.

clarki

1,312 posts

218 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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toppstuff said:
A Jaguar F Type, for example, is a donkey cart in comparison.

You either appreciate the GT-R tech ethos, or you don't.
Oh, I think everyone appreciates the GT-Rs tech/abilities etc...awesome car...i'll have an F-type though please??!!

Foggy748

318 posts

159 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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clarki said:
Oh, I think everyone appreciates the GT-Rs tech/abilities etc...awesome car...i'll have an F-type though please??!!
Test drive both and come back and do some scoring. I'd be dead interested to know if your opinion still stands.

chelme

1,353 posts

169 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Foggy748 said:
clarki said:
Oh, I think everyone appreciates the GT-Rs tech/abilities etc...awesome car...i'll have an F-type though please??!!
Test drive both and come back and do some scoring. I'd be dead interested to know if your opinion still stands.
Depends on what you are after. The F-type looks more attractive than the brutal GTR, sounds better, has a sweeter interior to behold and drive in, and goes almost as fast.

Each to their own really. I'd definitely try a GTR, but would also seriously consider an F-type and the person who says the F-type is a cart is preposterous! The F-type gives a different (not worse or better) sensation which is equally valid for us humans, yes that's right toppstuf, humans, not computers and calculators.

crosseyedlion

2,170 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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clarki said:
toppstuff said:
A Jaguar F Type, for example, is a donkey cart in comparison.

You either appreciate the GT-R tech ethos, or you don't.
Oh, I think everyone appreciates the GT-Rs tech/abilities etc...awesome car...i'll have an F-type though please??!!
I'm sure it's a technical masterpiece, and it's a little arrogant to assume other products lesser because they have different priorities.

I would have one! But for some reason some aren't undunderstanding that I would never be able to stomach 80k for one. To many (including me) see the audi r8, Ferraris, 911's getting on to supercar, or almost. When I look at a gtr I see a capable sports coupe.

Not to say I don't like them, it's like me saying I like minis but I could never pay 30k for one.

clarki

1,312 posts

218 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Foggy748 said:
Test drive both and come back and do some scoring. I'd be dead interested to know if your opinion still stands.
Been there, done that, bought a boxster...

The out and out speed thing isn't really at the top of my list when choosing a car tbh. If it was then a GTR would win hands down every time (in my price-range). However, you get used to all that pritty quick. I get the impression a GTR is just a 1 trick pony, albeit very good at that 1 trick!! Not dissing the car, great piece of kit, just no longer my cup of tea.

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

246 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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crosseyedlion said:
clarki said:
toppstuff said:
A Jaguar F Type, for example, is a donkey cart in comparison.

You either appreciate the GT-R tech ethos, or you don't.
Oh, I think everyone appreciates the GT-Rs tech/abilities etc...awesome car...i'll have an F-type though please??!!
I'm sure it's a technical masterpiece, and it's a little arrogant to assume other products lesser because they have different priorities.

I would have one! But for some reason some aren't undunderstanding that I would never be able to stomach 80k for one. To many (including me) see the audi r8, Ferraris, 911's getting on to supercar, or almost. When I look at a gtr I see a capable sports coupe.

Not to say I don't like them, it's like me saying I like minis but I could never pay 30k for one.
I think people are misinterpreting my appreciation for the GT-R here.

Lets be quite clear - the F Type may be a more desirable thing to many people and that is just fine and dandy - but the F Type absolutely IS a basic, low tech, rather crude thing - RWD, V8, slush box gears made on a regular platform.

The GT-R is every single bit as sophisticated as an R8, 911 or even a Ferrari. The GT-R in engineering terms is as sophisticated as cars twice its price. That is what makes it special. Even the engines are hand assembled and carry the name of the guy who assembled it.

I am not criticising people for having different tastes and opinions, that just fine. But the GT-R absolutely is not a "capable sports coupe". It genuinely shocked the world with its abilities when it was launched in 2007. It is still , in many respects, among the most technical masterpieces ever made.

By all means people can look at one and think it is just a big Datsun. Thats fine. But that is an ignorant position to take. When you make the effort to learn about the car, the people behind it and the way it is made, you would quickly change that position and appreciate the GT-R for what it is.

I am no GT-R fanboy. But I have been lucky enough to own some decent cars and I have driven most. IMO the GT-R is still one of the finest performance cars ever made. Few cars have stayed with me as long. Yes, a well sorted GT-R is THAT good.

I can only giggle with the thought at what the hybrid R36 is going to be like.

crosseyedlion

2,170 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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toppstuff said:
I think people are misinterpreting my appreciation for the GT-R here.

Lets be quite clear - the F Type may be a more desirable thing to many people and that is just fine and dandy - but the F Type absolutely IS a basic, low tech, rather crude thing - RWD, V8, slush box gears made on a regular platform.

The GT-R is every single bit as sophisticated as an R8, 911 or even a Ferrari. The GT-R in engineering terms is as sophisticated as cars twice its price. That is what makes it special. Even the engines are hand assembled and carry the name of the guy who assembled it.

I am not criticising people for having different tastes and opinions, that just fine. But the GT-R absolutely is not a "capable sports coupe". It genuinely shocked the world with its abilities when it was launched in 2007. It is still , in many respects, among the most technical masterpieces ever made.

By all means people can look at one and think it is just a big Datsun. Thats fine. But that is an ignorant position to take. When you make the effort to learn about the car, the people behind it and the way it is made, you would quickly change that position and appreciate the GT-R for what it is.

I am no GT-R fanboy. But I have been lucky enough to own some decent cars and I have driven most. IMO the GT-R is still one of the finest performance cars ever made. Few cars have stayed with me as long. Yes, a well sorted GT-R is THAT good.

I can only giggle with the thought at what the hybrid R36 is going to be like.
It would be foolish for me personally to go into detail about the ftype, but I assure you that the ftype is anything but low tech and crude.

I don't know what you mean by as sophisticated as cars twice the price.

I think you should make the effort of finding out what goes into cars at a similar price or less before you put the gtr on a pinth of the only car to have been engineered properly this side of a mclaren. And it's not all about pure speed.

I'll say again, I'd have a gtr, just not at 80k.

GTR Owner

58 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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toppstuff said:
There is nothing at 80k, let alone 50k, that is a reasonable alternative. Nothing is as fast and yet as usable or involving.

Fast Audi? Too ordinary.

Porsche? Too slow. A bit predictable.

Maserati? Not raw enough. Much slower.

There is nothing really like a GT-R to compare it with. So even at 80K, its a steal for the performance it offers

You haven't driven one have you? wink
sorry to say it but the GTR is hype. I am not at all surprised Nissan are "softening" the expectations down. Many GTR customers are not happy with the results when they take it on track which is why Nissan is "toning down" the R side of it. Can it hit some impressive numbers, yes for about two laps before it has to pull in else the transmission overheats or the breaks fail. Nissan are you listening.

GTR Owner

58 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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toppstuff said:
Thats your problem, sunshine.

GT-R buyers recognise that they have a car which changed everything when it was introduced and even now, 7 years on, is only just being equalled by the likes of Porsche.

The GT-R appeals to people who appreciate the fact that it was ( and probably still is ) a game changing car. At a technical level, the engineering behind the GT-R was simply astonishing back in 2007 and it is still way up there even now.

A Jaguar F Type, for example, is a donkey cart in comparison.

You either appreciate the GT-R tech ethos, or you don't.
Sorry to say it but the GTR is a mass produced car and built to a budget .... not a very good one either. Put it on a track and run it for two laps and it will do well. Then it will fail due to transmission or brakes overheating.

GTR Owner

58 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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toppstuff said:
I think people are misinterpreting my appreciation for the GT-R here.

Lets be quite clear - the F Type may be a more desirable thing to many people and that is just fine and dandy - but the F Type absolutely IS a basic, low tech, rather crude thing - RWD, V8, slush box gears made on a regular platform.

The GT-R is every single bit as sophisticated as an R8, 911 or even a Ferrari. The GT-R in engineering terms is as sophisticated as cars twice its price. That is what makes it special. Even the engines are hand assembled and carry the name of the guy who assembled it.

I am not criticising people for having different tastes and opinions, that just fine. But the GT-R absolutely is not a "capable sports coupe". It genuinely shocked the world with its abilities when it was launched in 2007. It is still , in many respects, among the most technical masterpieces ever made.

By all means people can look at one and think it is just a big Datsun. Thats fine. But that is an ignorant position to take. When you make the effort to learn about the car, the people behind it and the way it is made, you would quickly change that position and appreciate the GT-R for what it is.

I am no GT-R fanboy. But I have been lucky enough to own some decent cars and I have driven most. IMO the GT-R is still one of the finest performance cars ever made. Few cars have stayed with me as long. Yes, a well sorted GT-R is THAT good.

I can only giggle with the thought at what the hybrid R36 is going to be like.
A serious question here. Have you ever driven a stock GTR on a track for more than a few hard laps?

sege

552 posts

221 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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So yaw is reduced? I wonder what that means in reality. It sounds like the chassis will be less adjustable in a corner. Sounds like a backwards step.

Tuvra

7,920 posts

224 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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crosseyedlion said:
That price is eye-watering when you think of the other new vehicles 80k will buy.

Could not be less keen. At 50k yes.
Don't talk non-sense, £50k wasn't even enough to buy you a V8 M3 new and they were launched 7 years ago hehe

Claiming the GTR doesn't offer bang for buck is mental. As far as performance cars go, nothing compares pound for pound, track times, stats etc all prove that fact.

What else can be compared against it?
  • Audi R8 4.2 - £92,000
  • Jaguar F-Type R - £85,000
  • BMW M6 Coupe - £94,000
  • Porsche 911 Turbo - £118k
  • Porsche Carrera 4 - £81,000
Let's be honest, it will hold its own against all of them, trumping the majority in outright performance (which most people will buy these for).





Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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So, people still arguing that this car is not very good? This car which consistently gets five stars in every car mag worth its salt ?

I don't think this car ever scored 4 stars in an Evo review, its been a solid 5 ever since its launch, something it's arch nemesis, the 911 Turbo, has failed to do.

I don't own a GTR because a 3 year old 911 Turbo with 10k on the clock is cheaper.

davidcharles

400 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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another GTR thread escalating along nicely...

P4ROT

1,219 posts

192 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I very much doubt this is likely to win over anybody who hasn't already been attracted to the brand, but will be a welcome change for the true fanboys.

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

246 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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GTR Owner said:
toppstuff said:
I think people are misinterpreting my appreciation for the GT-R here.

Lets be quite clear - the F Type may be a more desirable thing to many people and that is just fine and dandy - but the F Type absolutely IS a basic, low tech, rather crude thing - RWD, V8, slush box gears made on a regular platform.

The GT-R is every single bit as sophisticated as an R8, 911 or even a Ferrari. The GT-R in engineering terms is as sophisticated as cars twice its price. That is what makes it special. Even the engines are hand assembled and carry the name of the guy who assembled it.

I am not criticising people for having different tastes and opinions, that just fine. But the GT-R absolutely is not a "capable sports coupe". It genuinely shocked the world with its abilities when it was launched in 2007. It is still , in many respects, among the most technical masterpieces ever made.

By all means people can look at one and think it is just a big Datsun. Thats fine. But that is an ignorant position to take. When you make the effort to learn about the car, the people behind it and the way it is made, you would quickly change that position and appreciate the GT-R for what it is.

I am no GT-R fanboy. But I have been lucky enough to own some decent cars and I have driven most. IMO the GT-R is still one of the finest performance cars ever made. Few cars have stayed with me as long. Yes, a well sorted GT-R is THAT good.

I can only giggle with the thought at what the hybrid R36 is going to be like.
A serious question here. Have you ever driven a stock GTR on a track for more than a few hard laps?
Yes. Quite a few, actually.

And it needs to be said that worries about transmission temperatures and the like are old history. That old chestnut was put to rest years ago.

Just like the 911, the GT-R has steadily evolved and any problems largely fixed. There is a reason why the car is popular in the US (where the lemon laws are strong and consumer attitude to problems is one of intolerance) and that is because the car works well.


crosseyedlion

2,170 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Tuvra said:
crosseyedlion said:
That price is eye-watering when you think of the other new vehicles 80k will buy.

Could not be less keen. At 50k yes.
Don't talk non-sense, £50k wasn't even enough to buy you a V8 M3 new and they were launched 7 years ago hehe

Claiming the GTR doesn't offer bang for buck is mental. As far as performance cars go, nothing compares pound for pound, track times, stats etc all prove that fact.

What else can be compared against it?
  • Audi R8 4.2 - £92,000
  • Jaguar F-Type R - £85,000
  • BMW M6 Coupe - £94,000
  • Porsche 911 Turbo - £118k
  • Porsche Carrera 4 - £81,000
Let's be honest, it will hold its own against all of them, trumping the majority in outright performance (which most people will buy these for).
You could buy a new C63 for a little over 50k until very recently.

Never once have I said it doesn't offer 'bang for buck'. In fact I've said a few times that its not about the performance. The price of a car and its pace aren't directly related, you can go very, very quickly for less.

To me a car is more than just a machine to go fast in, its about the whole experience.

I've also never said the GTR isn't a good car and haven't said I disliked them. All I'm saying is they're overpriced new.

Again, a bit like saying I like mini's but wouldn't spend 30k on one, using your logic you would argue 'oh but it laps brands hatch faster than an SLK'.

And you could buy a new or almost new example of all of the cars listed for 80k.