FUEL PUMP ADDING THE 0.01pence !!! ???
Discussion
shakotan said:
Ari said:
How is that a dilemma? 
You can't go backwards so there is no dilemma, you just have to pay.
I'm guessing when filling up he got to £19.99 and 16 litres, so the dilemma was to leave it there or round up the monetary value, ruining the round number on the litre value.You can't go backwards so there is no dilemma, you just have to pay.
Go for the twenty every time, otherwise you'll have a penny in your pocket for all eternity
WinstonWolf said:
shakotan said:
Ari said:
How is that a dilemma?
You can't go backwards so there is no dilemma, you just have to pay.
I'm guessing when filling up he got to £19.99 and 16 litres, so the dilemma was to leave it there or round up the monetary value, ruining the round number on the litre value.You can't go backwards so there is no dilemma, you just have to pay.
Go for the twenty every time, otherwise you'll have a penny in your pocket for all eternity
Some of you would have head explisions if you shop in Netherlands. They don't 'use' the 1 cent anymore because it is so worthless so every transaction (whether you pay with card or cash) is rounded up/down.
E.g. €5.69 you pay €5.70
€4.31 you pay €4.30
Hey just imagine that you went a whole week or more and ALL your shoppings happened to get rounded UP! OMG you would be out of pocket by like a whole TEN CENTS!!
E.g. €5.69 you pay €5.70
€4.31 you pay €4.30
Hey just imagine that you went a whole week or more and ALL your shoppings happened to get rounded UP! OMG you would be out of pocket by like a whole TEN CENTS!!
, thanks for that 
.shakotan said:
KTF said:
Fuel delivered is 1.009 litres, display only shows 2 decimal places.
£1.259 * 1.009 is £1.270331, shows as 2 decimal places.
Its not exactly f
king rocket science, is it.windydog said:
A fair OP point though.
0.01p is nothing, and nothing in comparison to the variance for filling up on a cold day as opposed to a warm one. Fuel volume is affected by temperature as most people know. The weight is not affected by temperature, but is irrelevant anyway as the meters are volumetric. Always check your reciept for volume first against the meter, and then the price.
The petrol station has the meters cailbrated by a Weights and Measures act qualified technician and should be calibrated as if at 15 Deg C. If it's colder you win, if it's warmer you lose. Every petrol station must have a valid 12 monthly calibration certificate, you can request to see it. The meter must be sealed and is generally under the covers on Tokheim and Pumptronics type pump housings, having said that it is possible to break the seal and adjust the meters (have seen this) to give false readings by unscrupulous managers, if the garage get caught then expect a hefty prosecution.
If you have a complaint, issue it to the local authority council who authorise the station licensing, generally under the Environement departments. Under the Petroleum Comsolidation Act 1928, every fuel station storing and issueing class 1 fuel (Petrol, not Class 3 diesel) must hold an annual license to do so.
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
Jesus Christ 0.01p is nothing, and nothing in comparison to the variance for filling up on a cold day as opposed to a warm one. Fuel volume is affected by temperature as most people know. The weight is not affected by temperature, but is irrelevant anyway as the meters are volumetric. Always check your reciept for volume first against the meter, and then the price.
The petrol station has the meters cailbrated by a Weights and Measures act qualified technician and should be calibrated as if at 15 Deg C. If it's colder you win, if it's warmer you lose. Every petrol station must have a valid 12 monthly calibration certificate, you can request to see it. The meter must be sealed and is generally under the covers on Tokheim and Pumptronics type pump housings, having said that it is possible to break the seal and adjust the meters (have seen this) to give false readings by unscrupulous managers, if the garage get caught then expect a hefty prosecution.
If you have a complaint, issue it to the local authority council who authorise the station licensing, generally under the Environement departments. Under the Petroleum Comsolidation Act 1928, every fuel station storing and issueing class 1 fuel (Petrol, not Class 3 diesel) must hold an annual license to do so.
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
SMcP114 said:
windydog said:
A fair OP point though.
0.01p is nothing, and nothing in comparison to the variance for filling up on a cold day as opposed to a warm one. Fuel volume is affected by temperature as most people know. The weight is not affected by temperature, but is irrelevant anyway as the meters are volumetric. Always check your reciept for volume first against the meter, and then the price.
The petrol station has the meters cailbrated by a Weights and Measures act qualified technician and should be calibrated as if at 15 Deg C. If it's colder you win, if it's warmer you lose. Every petrol station must have a valid 12 monthly calibration certificate, you can request to see it. The meter must be sealed and is generally under the covers on Tokheim and Pumptronics type pump housings, having said that it is possible to break the seal and adjust the meters (have seen this) to give false readings by unscrupulous managers, if the garage get caught then expect a hefty prosecution.
If you have a complaint, issue it to the local authority council who authorise the station licensing, generally under the Environement departments. Under the Petroleum Comsolidation Act 1928, every fuel station storing and issueing class 1 fuel (Petrol, not Class 3 diesel) must hold an annual license to do so.
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
Jesus Christ 0.01p is nothing, and nothing in comparison to the variance for filling up on a cold day as opposed to a warm one. Fuel volume is affected by temperature as most people know. The weight is not affected by temperature, but is irrelevant anyway as the meters are volumetric. Always check your reciept for volume first against the meter, and then the price.
The petrol station has the meters cailbrated by a Weights and Measures act qualified technician and should be calibrated as if at 15 Deg C. If it's colder you win, if it's warmer you lose. Every petrol station must have a valid 12 monthly calibration certificate, you can request to see it. The meter must be sealed and is generally under the covers on Tokheim and Pumptronics type pump housings, having said that it is possible to break the seal and adjust the meters (have seen this) to give false readings by unscrupulous managers, if the garage get caught then expect a hefty prosecution.
If you have a complaint, issue it to the local authority council who authorise the station licensing, generally under the Environement departments. Under the Petroleum Comsolidation Act 1928, every fuel station storing and issueing class 1 fuel (Petrol, not Class 3 diesel) must hold an annual license to do so.
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
BugLebowski said:
I suspect that fuel stations could invest in more accurate pumps, however the cost of this upgrade would then have to be passed onto the consumer. 2p extra per fill should cover the costs! 
The only way you could pay 'more accurately' for your fuel, is if retailers started charging in tenths of pences.What about this are you not understanding!?
windydog said:
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
You mean the vapour (that you have paid for and is tiny fractions of the cost of the fuel) that would otherwise have gone into the atmosphere and you wouldn't have been able to use anyway?windydog said:
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
Best burn it off with a lighter whilst you are filling up to avoid them 'stealing' the vapour that you are paying for I'm not sure what's worse... people complaing about losing 1 pence.
Or the fact i just read 3 pages of debate about it
Although - I'm gonna add some boring math to it...
IF someone were to fill up 5x a week? Who knows why.. getting charged this "extra 1 pence"
5 x £0.01 = £0.05 (Great maths here i know, so we lose 5p a week)
52 x £0.05 = £2.60 (So 1 years added costs)
Let's assume you live 70 years, filling up 5x a week.
Minus 17 years too young to drive
SO...
53 Years @ £2.60 a year
£137.80 Maximum cost in a lifetime.
F**K me.
Get over it people.
Realistically, who fills up 5x a week though anyway?
Or the fact i just read 3 pages of debate about it
Although - I'm gonna add some boring math to it...
IF someone were to fill up 5x a week? Who knows why.. getting charged this "extra 1 pence"
5 x £0.01 = £0.05 (Great maths here i know, so we lose 5p a week)
52 x £0.05 = £2.60 (So 1 years added costs)
Let's assume you live 70 years, filling up 5x a week.
Minus 17 years too young to drive
SO...
53 Years @ £2.60 a year
£137.80 Maximum cost in a lifetime.
F**K me.
Get over it people.
Realistically, who fills up 5x a week though anyway?
windydog said:
Standby for the next big fraud issue. Under the EU regs, fuel stations issueing Petrol will have even newer vapor recovery systems in place (a little tube running alongside the nozzle) to stop vapours venting to atmosphere and suck the vapours back into the storage tank. The fuel station will reclaim this vapour, however you have already been charged for it. Could be interesting.
You and I have different definitions of that word my friend!Bluehawk said:
math
You're from Berkshire. It's mathsDanielJames said:
Here's a thought... what if the pump counts in litres, not currency? IMAGINE THAT.
Therefore since fuel is over a quid a litre now, and it only counts to 2 decimal places...
In fact I shouldn't need to go that basic. It's 1 fking pence.
Still a moot point, as the 1 pence 'loss' is mythical anyway.Therefore since fuel is over a quid a litre now, and it only counts to 2 decimal places...
In fact I shouldn't need to go that basic. It's 1 f
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