Going from an FN2 CTR to a ZOE! someone shoot me quick.
Discussion
In the year and a half I've had a Renault the one thing that has been the least trouble is electrics 
I think PSA electrics are worse, Renaults tend to just wear out their consumables fast.. also exhaust mounts are consumables
I thought the ZOE! was basically a Leaf anyway, so it's Nissan electrics you've got to worry about, or conversely, perhaps the Leaf is a Renault underneath.
I think PSA electrics are worse, Renaults tend to just wear out their consumables fast.. also exhaust mounts are consumables
I thought the ZOE! was basically a Leaf anyway, so it's Nissan electrics you've got to worry about, or conversely, perhaps the Leaf is a Renault underneath.
Ari said:
Because I'd like to know what sort of car he is talking about maybe?
You could google it, save looking a numpty 
scarble said:
-_-
Why do you people even bother posting here?
>hurr durr wat is an model code?
Because like so many people nowadays, they think it is somehow cool to be ignorant. You're on a car/motoring forum, expect there to be some references to stuff you don't understand or know about. Just bung it in Google, takes 3 seconds, no? Yes. Just did it myself. Go to Google images, type in FN2 CTR and pretty little pictures show up - you don't even have to read any writing!Why do you people even bother posting here?
>hurr durr wat is an model code?
Anyway. OP if it's best for you then good on you. Electric cars will get more and more popular over the next few years and rightly so. The "they'll have to wrestle my ICE car from my cold dead hands" brigade will be left in the 20th century burning up expensive dirty smelly fuel while the rest of us whizz around in high torque silence and comfort. (Whilst far away in the countryside, power stations everywhere burn dirty smelly fuel and struggle to keep up with the huge demand...)
indeed.
Yes, whizzing about with high torque.. up to 30mph.. for 90 miles if you're lucky
In terms of pollution it's fairly accepted that currently, with the UKs power generation mix, a pure EV produces roughly the same CO2 as a good (from an emissions view) modern diesel repmobile but this really isn't the full picture, I'm not aware of any studies (though they probably exist) comparing other more noxious emissions (NOx, particulates, CO) but I'd hazard a guess that EVs and their feeding power stations are better in this respect, depending hugely on the station, but urea NOx reduction thingies on power stations are more established than urea thingies on cars and more practical too as power stations are big and don't move so a bit of extra plumbing is a bit easier and gas stations I think are probably cleaner while coal stations are filthy.
But EVs address urban pollution levels and imo we really do need to cut down on this. I've been trying to walk to work lately but I often find I'm choking on diesel fumes and that's out in the suburbs.
Also, removing DPFs should be illegal and punishable by prison.
So, vaguely back on topic, I applaud the Op, even if I wouldn't do it myself.
In terms of pollution it's fairly accepted that currently, with the UKs power generation mix, a pure EV produces roughly the same CO2 as a good (from an emissions view) modern diesel repmobile but this really isn't the full picture, I'm not aware of any studies (though they probably exist) comparing other more noxious emissions (NOx, particulates, CO) but I'd hazard a guess that EVs and their feeding power stations are better in this respect, depending hugely on the station, but urea NOx reduction thingies on power stations are more established than urea thingies on cars and more practical too as power stations are big and don't move so a bit of extra plumbing is a bit easier and gas stations I think are probably cleaner while coal stations are filthy.
But EVs address urban pollution levels and imo we really do need to cut down on this. I've been trying to walk to work lately but I often find I'm choking on diesel fumes and that's out in the suburbs.
Also, removing DPFs should be illegal and punishable by prison.
So, vaguely back on topic, I applaud the Op, even if I wouldn't do it myself.
scarble said:
Yes, whizzing about with high torque.. up to 30mph.. for 90 miles if you're lucky
In terms of pollution it's fairly accepted that currently, with the UKs power generation mix, a pure EV produces roughly the same CO2 as a good (from an emissions view) modern diesel repmobile but this really isn't the full picture,
Accepted by who?In terms of pollution it's fairly accepted that currently, with the UKs power generation mix, a pure EV produces roughly the same CO2 as a good (from an emissions view) modern diesel repmobile but this really isn't the full picture,
In reality the EV produces about half the CO2.
Sounds like a fair enough swap and nice to be a bit of a trail blazer is the usage suits you.
CAPP0 said:
OP, why the Zoe and not the Leaf? Genuine question, I don't know much about either. Big price difference?
Money is the basic answer. There are cracking deals on at the moment on the ZOE, cheaper by a few £1000 on what I'd have to pay to buy a pov spec leaf. The deal is on the top trim level ZOE too so its a nicer place to sit and has the usual automatic everything, reverse camera, etc.. toys. Handling on the ZOE is a bit better, the car is about 50kg lighter than the new Leaf (which is lighter than the mk1 Leaf by 100kg ish already). The Leaf is bigger and noticeably faster. Those things go 0-60 in 8ish secs!The early post about cost. The deal I have is 3 years @ £195 month plus the cost of the electric (if I charge from home) is about £25 per month. That's for 10,000 miles PA and includes the battery lease cost. All costs covered, servicing, zero tax. My CTR was £200 a month just on fuel at that mileage with petrol cheap at 1.20/L. Insurance on both cars about the same as my insurance is dirt cheap these days anyway, ZOE was about £40 a year less.
The other key difference with the ZOE vs LEAF is buy the battery vs lease it. Buy it means better resale value a few years later down the line, assuming its still in good order. If its not then massive resale value hit. Lease it means peace of mind if it falls below 75% it gets replaced free, and a massive saving on the initial purchase cost. But if you try to sell it on, the new owner must pick up the lease. In my case its PCP so I can just hand the car back if I want.
JonnyVTEC said:
Accepted by who?
In reality the EV produces about half the CO2.
Sounds like a fair enough swap and nice to be a bit of a trail blazer is the usage suits you.
Well, the last comprehensive study I read on the matter was in MTZ about a year ago and that put them down as about on a level, i.e. around 90g/km, full well to wheel but not including vehicle manufacture or disposal, that was specifically on UK energy mix.In reality the EV produces about half the CO2.
Sounds like a fair enough swap and nice to be a bit of a trail blazer is the usage suits you.
I can't recall exactly which issueof MTZ, I've tried to find it since but to no avail
If you know of any other reliable data I'm all ears
scarble said:
Well, the last comprehensive study I read on the matter was in MTZ about a year ago and that put them down as about on a level, i.e. around 90g/km, full well to wheel but not including vehicle manufacture or disposal, that was specifically on UK energy mix.
I can't recall exactly which issueof MTZ, I've tried to find it since but to no avail
If you know of any other reliable data I'm all ears
90 g/km for an ICE car isn't well to wheel though is it? You still have to pull crude oil out of the ground and turn it in to petrol/dieselI can't recall exactly which issueof MTZ, I've tried to find it since but to no avail
If you know of any other reliable data I'm all ears
doh, yea I half rephrased that and forgot to finish it before I hit post
I don't remember the exact figures but what I mean is they compared EVs to 90g/km(ish) diesels (iirc) and well to wheel there was not much in it, still emphasising that this is for UK energy mix (we're not the cleanest in Europe) and only considers CO2 and no other emissions (iirc).
I don't remember the exact figures but what I mean is they compared EVs to 90g/km(ish) diesels (iirc) and well to wheel there was not much in it, still emphasising that this is for UK energy mix (we're not the cleanest in Europe) and only considers CO2 and no other emissions (iirc).
Traded in / handed my Civic Type R FN2 over today 
the milk float (Zoe) arrives Friday.
Thankfully my lovely wife has took pity on me knowing I am doing this to save money and really really didn't want to. She recons since we will most likely car share now anyway (Zoe is for the local short, start stop stuff, like school runs etc..) we could look at trading her Qashqai in for something more fun to drive.
Rules,
Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Hmmmmm the hunt begins...
Civic Type S, Focus 1.6 ecoboost (might be > 9K?) what do you guys recon....
And no, an MX5 with a trailer is not an option.
the milk float (Zoe) arrives Friday.
Thankfully my lovely wife has took pity on me knowing I am doing this to save money and really really didn't want to. She recons since we will most likely car share now anyway (Zoe is for the local short, start stop stuff, like school runs etc..) we could look at trading her Qashqai in for something more fun to drive.
Rules,
Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Hmmmmm the hunt begins...
Civic Type S, Focus 1.6 ecoboost (might be > 9K?) what do you guys recon....
And no, an MX5 with a trailer is not an option.
stargazer30 said:
Rules,
Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Have you considered an FN2 CTR?Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Sounds like the Mrs fancied a Zoe to replace the Gashqai and has scammed you into giving up your car to pay for it?
Edited by scarble on Wednesday 17th December 20:41
scarble said:
stargazer30 said:
Rules,
Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Have you considered an FN2 CTR?Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Sounds like the Mrs fancied a Zoe to replace the Gashqai and has scammed you into giving up your car to pay for it?
Edited by scarble on Wednesday 17th December 20:41
stargazer30 said:
scarble said:
stargazer30 said:
Rules,
Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Have you considered an FN2 CTR?Needs to do at least 30mpg mostly urban some motorway.
Needs to swallow 3 kids, 2 adults and a boot full or luggage for hols
Needs to be drivable by her in bad weather.
Cost max 9K
Sounds like the Mrs fancied a Zoe to replace the Gashqai and has scammed you into giving up your car to pay for it?
Edited by scarble on Wednesday 17th December 20:41
billy939 said:
This has got Golf Gti written all over it. Will probably be a bit of a disappointment after the Type R though. A Focus St would be a good choice except for the economy, if you were struggling for 30mpg in an FN2 then good luck getting 25mpg in an ST.
erm maybe I should have said I've had 3 x 2.5T Focus STs in the past. I got 19 to 21mpg max in all three. One was a company car with a fuel card and free fuel! Ah happy memories, until the tax man caught up with me! The newer ST fairs better but its too much ££££.Bit out of the park but I'm thinking Octavia VRS 2.0 Petrol Turbo. Very roomy, quick and I think it might just blag 30mpg out of it.
stargazer30 said:
billy939 said:
This has got Golf Gti written all over it. Will probably be a bit of a disappointment after the Type R though. A Focus St would be a good choice except for the economy, if you were struggling for 30mpg in an FN2 then good luck getting 25mpg in an ST.
erm maybe I should have said I've had 3 x 2.5T Focus STs in the past. I got 19 to 21mpg max in all three. One was a company car with a fuel card and free fuel! Ah happy memories, until the tax man caught up with me! The newer ST fairs better but its too much ££££.Bit out of the park but I'm thinking Octavia VRS 2.0 Petrol Turbo. Very roomy, quick and I think it might just blag 30mpg out of it.
Octavia VRS sounds like a good call, nice understated cars IMO.
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