E-petition - Noise complaints rights waiver near motor sport
Discussion
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http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/72458
Interesting petition starting on E-petition regarding people moving near to a track and having all rights waived to noise complaints.
Reminds me of the people who moved next to the motorway in Birmingham and then complained about the noise of the motorway and subsequent repair works.
Are people that naive about moving next to motor-sport venues, quarry's, airports, manufacturing, rail way lines, motorways etc?
I understand airports can be a nuisance, different flight patterns, weather, holding stacks etc.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/72458
Interesting petition starting on E-petition regarding people moving near to a track and having all rights waived to noise complaints.
Reminds me of the people who moved next to the motorway in Birmingham and then complained about the noise of the motorway and subsequent repair works.
Are people that naive about moving next to motor-sport venues, quarry's, airports, manufacturing, rail way lines, motorways etc?
I understand airports can be a nuisance, different flight patterns, weather, holding stacks etc.
Depends... I moved into the countryside.
I was aware there was a "Test Track" but it was over a mile away and I'd lived in the area before and there was no noise when I'd visited.
After moving I found that the track was now opened up to track days.
I love trackdays myself but not so much when I can hear them all day in my garden and if the wind was in the wrong direction I could hear every gear change and every screech of tyres.
Unlike towns where there are walls to deflect noise - in the countryside it really travels - I'd swear they were racing in my field.
If you aren't into Motor Sport it's possible that you might not know there is a nearby venue - I don't mean Silverstone but Hillclimb, Drifting venues, Drag strips etc are quite low key.
I can see that venues shouldn't be closed but similarly I don't think the amount / type / volume of noise should be increased and it may be reasonable to decrease it if viable.
I didn't complain about the noise - but I did ask the Council to inform me if they applied to increase their days / noise limits - which I would object to.
I was aware there was a "Test Track" but it was over a mile away and I'd lived in the area before and there was no noise when I'd visited.
After moving I found that the track was now opened up to track days.
I love trackdays myself but not so much when I can hear them all day in my garden and if the wind was in the wrong direction I could hear every gear change and every screech of tyres.
Unlike towns where there are walls to deflect noise - in the countryside it really travels - I'd swear they were racing in my field.
If you aren't into Motor Sport it's possible that you might not know there is a nearby venue - I don't mean Silverstone but Hillclimb, Drifting venues, Drag strips etc are quite low key.
I can see that venues shouldn't be closed but similarly I don't think the amount / type / volume of noise should be increased and it may be reasonable to decrease it if viable.
I didn't complain about the noise - but I did ask the Council to inform me if they applied to increase their days / noise limits - which I would object to.
Edited by Renovation on Tuesday 2nd December 12:18
reminds me of when me and the OH went to look at a flat in colchester somewhere...
Beautiful views, overlooking a river, with a well kept industrial area over the other side of the water. Nothing else for miles. very peaceful.
We were due to view the flat at 9 but the agent got delayed - this was the biggest blessing we could have hoped for.
at 10am the industrial area burst into life with the sound of sports bikes having their revs held at what sounded like 10000rpm for several minutes at a time.
It was some Yamaha bike racing/tuning outfit.
We left before the agent got there.
Beautiful views, overlooking a river, with a well kept industrial area over the other side of the water. Nothing else for miles. very peaceful.
We were due to view the flat at 9 but the agent got delayed - this was the biggest blessing we could have hoped for.
at 10am the industrial area burst into life with the sound of sports bikes having their revs held at what sounded like 10000rpm for several minutes at a time.
It was some Yamaha bike racing/tuning outfit.
We left before the agent got there.
Perhaps it would be better to place the responsbility onto estate agents. local land searches should also include local industry that may or may not impact your quality of life, but at least made visible to potential purchaser. The responsibility then is largely on the resident. I would strongly suspect there is a push for sellers to keep quiet about the local Sewage works/Rubbish tip/racetrack (delete as appropriate) round the corner, that may deter some buyers or residents.
People should just accept track noise, it's like everything you get used to it and before long don't even notice it. Where I grew up there was regular motoX racing, many different tracks in the immediate area also was on a low level military jet training route. Never bothered any one not like it went on at night when you are trying to sleep. Where I live now in the countryside is within 1 mile of a major train line, I can occasionally hear freight trains in the summer when I'm in the garden, there are houses that back on to the same line, I asked the one what the noise was like as had been contemplating a buy to let near the station - he said when they 1st moved in they though 'what have we done' but 6 months later he said he doesn't even notice them. People are just whingers these days sad that legislations becoming needed to stop them ruining the limited venues available to people. If you are buying a house then it's up to your solicitor and yourself to determine if there is anything that may potentially put you off - you should definitely not be able to put complaints in to the council after the fact.
How much research is considered reasonable before committing to buy a property? Most viewing appointments take place during business hours. Most trackdays take place outwith business hours.
Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat a
hole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.
Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat a
hole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
jamieduff1981 said:
How much research is considered reasonable before committing to buy a property? Most viewing appointments take place during business hours. Most trackdays take place outwith business hours.
Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat ahole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.
Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
So what you are saying is its perfectly OK to move in next to a motorsport/music venue, airfield etc. that has been in operation for years (decades in many instances but as you say is fairly small so isn't well known about) and then complain? I don't think so, that attitude is totally wrong.Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat a
hole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
There is a pub not that far from me that used to have bands on until not so long ago. The Council sold off a bit of unused land on the corner of a golf course which a developer built houses on. No sooner had people moved in - the noise complaints started. Strangely the pre-existing houses next door to the pub never complained about the noise, only the residents of the new builds. The pub does not have live music at all now, the pub owners should have had the right to say "not our problem, should have done your research before buying it mate" and that should be the end of the matter.
And given the amount of money handed over to surveyors, solicitors and the like during a house purchase as a soon (in the next year or so) to be buyer I would expect them to tell me about local noise sources, be it industry, motorsport, music, aircraft etc. otherwise what exactly are you paying these leeches to do?
PanzerCommander said:
jamieduff1981 said:
How much research is considered reasonable before committing to buy a property? Most viewing appointments take place during business hours. Most trackdays take place outwith business hours.
Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat ahole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.
Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
So what you are saying is its perfectly OK to move in next to a motorsport/music venue, airfield etc. that has been in operation for years (decades in many instances but as you say is fairly small so isn't well known about) and then complain? I don't think so, that attitude is totally wrong.Is the Pistonheads collective suggesting that potential buyers should stake out a potential property for a fortnight to find out what weekends and evenings really sound like across a sample of days?
What if you buy a house in winter and the trackdays start in summer?
How many people who have actually bought a house have been told about noise nuicance, or even a fat a
hole next door with a dog that sts in your garden-to-be? As above - that's all pretty well covered up. Even having a good rummage around on Google Maps before making an offer on a house is highly unlikely to reveal a section of road regularly sealed off for hillclimbs, along with noise mapping of the area.Suggesting that the onus is on the buyer to know what sort of noise is in the area is frankly quite stupid. It would be fine if we were only talking about commercial airports where it's obvious that jets fly in and out every day and there are signposts pointing it out, but smaller motorsport venues are something you really have to know how to look for. If thrashing cars around isn't your thing, you simply won't find out. Googling "Noisy stuff near AB12 1XY" will not reveal such noise sources.
Not everyone just "gets used to it" either. The sort of attitude that everyone else needs to accept your noisy hobby is what makes enemies of neighbours fast.
I will not sign a rights waiver petition because it is a stupid idea thought up by someone fairly thick. People must have the right to object through the correct channels at any point.
There is a pub not that far from me that used to have bands on until not so long ago. The Council sold off a bit of unused land on the corner of a golf course which a developer built houses on. No sooner had people moved in - the noise complaints started. Strangely the pre-existing houses next door to the pub never complained about the noise, only the residents of the new builds. The pub does not have live music at all now, the pub owners should have had the right to say "not our problem, should have done your research before buying it mate" and that should be the end of the matter.
And given the amount of money handed over to surveyors, solicitors and the like during a house purchase as a soon (in the next year or so) to be buyer I would expect them to tell me about local noise sources, be it industry, motorsport, music, aircraft etc. otherwise what exactly are you paying these leeches to do?
What about non motorsport?
I bought a house in Portsmouth and it was nice and quiet each time we looked round.
We buy the house and Portsmouth FC have a game the next day. All we hear is the chanting and screaming of the fans.
Why is it always restricted to motorsport and car related stuff?
I bought a house in Portsmouth and it was nice and quiet each time we looked round.
We buy the house and Portsmouth FC have a game the next day. All we hear is the chanting and screaming of the fans.
Why is it always restricted to motorsport and car related stuff?
Dannbodge said:
What about non motorsport?
I bought a house in Portsmouth and it was nice and quiet each time we looked round.
We buy the house and Portsmouth FC have a game the next day. All we hear is the chanting and screaming of the fans.
Why is it always restricted to motorsport and car related stuff?
Because lots of people are unable to imagine anything from a point of view other than their own.I bought a house in Portsmouth and it was nice and quiet each time we looked round.
We buy the house and Portsmouth FC have a game the next day. All we hear is the chanting and screaming of the fans.
Why is it always restricted to motorsport and car related stuff?
What's up with the e-petitions? We have this one:
"introduce mandatory noise complaint waiver for anyone who buys or rents a property close to motorsport venue"
And then with 37000 signatures is this one:
"Introduce mandatory noise complaint waivers for anyone who buys or rents a property within close distance of a music venue"
Is one of them taking the piss out of the other?
"introduce mandatory noise complaint waiver for anyone who buys or rents a property close to motorsport venue"
And then with 37000 signatures is this one:
"Introduce mandatory noise complaint waivers for anyone who buys or rents a property within close distance of a music venue"
Is one of them taking the piss out of the other?
Signed.
As a someone who flies for fun, I've seen this at countless airfields. All is fine until someone builds a new 'village' near the airfield. Then the people who move in, and buy houses next to the airfield start complaining that the aircraft are noisy. So the airfield that's probably been there since the '30s now either has to implement new noise abatement procedures (best case), or faces lots of action from the new residents who try to close it down completely. It never occurs to these new residents to get involved, try flying, take part in a social scene associated with the airfield etc. They just seem to enjoy complaining about the noise.
As a someone who flies for fun, I've seen this at countless airfields. All is fine until someone builds a new 'village' near the airfield. Then the people who move in, and buy houses next to the airfield start complaining that the aircraft are noisy. So the airfield that's probably been there since the '30s now either has to implement new noise abatement procedures (best case), or faces lots of action from the new residents who try to close it down completely. It never occurs to these new residents to get involved, try flying, take part in a social scene associated with the airfield etc. They just seem to enjoy complaining about the noise.
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