996 GT3 (mk2) or TVR Sagaris

[Baryonyx]

I can only imagine that the GT3 would be more exciting, more rewarding car to drive and an easier ownership proposition too. The 996 GT3 is one of my absolute favourite Porches.

[Lotus E300S]

TA14 said:

If you look at the PH classifieds now the most expensive price is £60K and the cheapest is £46K and they're all from dealers so it's perhaps feasible that private sales would be £40K upwards? I'm saying that I don't think that you can do a full conversion for half the cost of a Sag and by the time you add in other bits (like the larger dia manifold, the rear spoiler, the front winglets...) your £35K is getting very close to a Sag value. 4.3 T350s seem to fetch below £30K.

I like the T350c style better but I don't think that a T350c modified to as close Sag spec as possible as a way of having a cheaper Sag makes sense. As is usually the case just buy the car that you like.

The 2 cheap Sags in the classified are damaged repaired with colour changes and I think one is a catD, I have looked at a few and any decent Sagaris is £55,000 plus.

[Lotus E300S]

Though if anyone is selling a A1 condition Sagaris for £45,000 please mail me.

[Harris_I]

dvs_dave said:

You could say exactly the same about the GT3. Why not buy a 5k 996 with a knackered engine and spend 30k on making it into a GT3 copy?

Plus a bit. The engine alone would be £40,000 plus fitting.

[Lotus E300S]

Harris_I said:

dvs_dave said:

You could say exactly the same about the GT3. Why not buy a 5k 996 with a knackered engine and spend 30k on making it into a GT3 copy?

Plus a bit. The engine alone would be £40,000 plus fitting.

With good 996Gt3's getting increasingly hard to get hold of potential owners just might have to go that route.

[Lotus E300S]

£100,000 for a new Sagaris
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

Is that how much they would cost now if still made?

[Alpinestars]

As requested a couple of pics of mine

[LaSource]

I think it depends on how you intent to use the car.

If you are not going to track, use mainly for road use, taking the other half out on a Sunday, weekend hoon, etc...even I would be attracted to the Sagaris....and I am a die hard GT3 nut! It is a beautiful car.

On the other hand, if you want to be able to go home, jump in the seat, bomb it down to Spa or the Nurburgring, push it around the track at the edge of your ability, and then tear back to your home, park up, go to work...and not lose a penny (ok, man maths...track days do cost in maintenance especially if you like looking after your steed)...then there is no better car than the GT3! As others have said the learning journey is long and rewarding...with a vast degree of car setup and resulting driving behaviour. I love driving it on the road too.

However, reading this thread, I sense the Sagaris is for you. It would turn my head if you drove past in a Sagaris.

[rigga]

Lotus E300S said:

£100,000 for a new Sagaris
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

Is that how much they would cost now if still made?

There has been much debate in the tvr section about this since the news that there might be a resurrection of the brand, and its generally recognized that should any car's be forthcoming, they would be nowhere near the price tags of the originals in the Wheeler and Smolenski tenure, could well be looking at towards the 100k mark for the type of car tvr are known for, but with modern driver aids and priced not to leave the company in financial turmoil.
Makes more sense to purchase one of the originals now.

[Lotus E300S]

Alpinestars said:

As requested a couple of pics of mine

Very nice.

[Lotus E300S]

LaSource said:

I think it depends on how you intent to use the car.

If you are not going to track, use mainly for road use, taking the other half out on a Sunday, weekend hoon, etc...even I would be attracted to the Sagaris....and I am a die hard GT3 nut! It is a beautiful car.

On the other hand, if you want to be able to go home, jump in the seat, bomb it down to Spa or the Nurburgring, push it around the track at the edge of your ability, and then tear back to your home, park up, go to work...and not lose a penny (ok, man maths...track days do cost in maintenance especially if you like looking after your steed)...then there is no better car than the GT3! As others have said the learning journey is long and rewarding...with a vast degree of car setup and resulting driving behaviour. I love driving it on the road too.

However, reading this thread, I sense the Sagaris is for you. It would turn my head if you drove past in a Sagaris.

Plan is to track it so would like to think a Sagaris is up to a Spa and Nurburgring trip.

[Lotus E300S]

rigga said:

Lotus E300S said:

£100,000 for a new Sagaris
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

Is that how much they would cost now if still made?

There has been much debate in the tvr section about this since the news that there might be a resurrection of the brand, and its generally recognized that should any car's be forthcoming, they would be nowhere near the price tags of the originals in the Wheeler and Smolenski tenure, could well be looking at towards the 100k mark for the type of car tvr are known for, but with modern driver aids and priced not to leave the company in financial turmoil.
Makes more sense to purchase one of the originals now.

Makes a low mileage mint Sagaris at £60,000 look a bargain if a new one would cost £100,000 now.

[LaSource]

Lotus E300S said:

Plan is to track it so would like to think a Sagaris is up to a Spa and Nurburgring trip.

I guess you are right.
I've just never seen one at a track. Whereas half the pitlane is some kind of Porsche/caterham/even BMW

[Legacywr]

Lotus E300S said:

Though if anyone is selling a A1 condition Sagaris for £45,000 please mail me.

You'll only get one of the lesser 6 cylinder TVR's for that sort of money, which you obviously won't want!

Sagaris vs 996 GT3?

Heart says Sagaris!
Head says Sagaris!
Eyes say Sagaris!

And, the people will say Sagaris!

I haven't used mine in ages!

[Lotus E300S]

LaSource said:

I guess you are right.
I've just never seen one at a track. Whereas half the pitlane is some kind of Porsche/caterham/even BMW

Must be some Sagaris owners who do track days?

[greggy50]

Lotus E300S said:

Must be some Sagaris owners who do track days?

Would guess for track days getting insurance would be nigh on impossible as you have little hope of sourcing replacement body panels where you to have a knock?

May be something to consider

[Legacywr]

greggy50 said:

Lotus E300S said:

Must be some Sagaris owners who do track days?

Would guess for track days getting insurance would be nigh on impossible as you have little hope of sourcing replacement body panels where you to have a knock?

May be something to consider

My first year Sagaris insurance was about £350. And, that included track day cover too. You'll find most owners get their cars on track. It's the only safe place for you to get bitten by your own car! I never have though.

[PGNCerbera]

Not true at all. Plenty of insurers for track days for TVR's including Sags

[Blu3R]

Before you make a decision you really need 5 mins in a Noble.

[Lotus E300S]

Legacywr said:

You'll only get one of the lesser 6 cylinder TVR's for that sort of money, which you obviously won't want!

A 3.6 speed six will do me just fine though I would prefer the full fat 4 litre, so are you selling?

Edited by Lotus E300S on Wednesday 10th December 19:57