RE: New Focus RS confirmed
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Having owned a MK2 MP350 (345 BHP) it was more than adequate at putting the power down with FWD and i think this is the way they will go again for cost/development cost reasons. only downside is 0-60 as they aren't quick off the line.
New one i reckon will be 350 and likely the 2.3 lump. £30k price point (and hopefully they can lost some weight).
Certainly my old one (on cut slicks) wasn't slow on a track - remember a couple of chaps at one trackday with 2 megane R26'R's who had a wry smile on their faces when i arrived. Smiles turned upside down when they saw the cut slicks and whenever i caught up with them they backed right off, even in the tiwsties just to let me past and get on with it. Honestly regret selling it, but thats kids/houses do for you...
New one i reckon will be 350 and likely the 2.3 lump. £30k price point (and hopefully they can lost some weight).
Certainly my old one (on cut slicks) wasn't slow on a track - remember a couple of chaps at one trackday with 2 megane R26'R's who had a wry smile on their faces when i arrived. Smiles turned upside down when they saw the cut slicks and whenever i caught up with them they backed right off, even in the tiwsties just to let me past and get on with it. Honestly regret selling it, but thats kids/houses do for you...
i do find it hilarious when people who have obviously never been in one let alone driven one comment.
I drive one of the "undriveable" MK1s not a huge shock from the user name! I never understood what all the fuss was about mine just grips and grips, and never once have i thought it going to kill me, point to point on a twisty road I doubt if much could lose it, it hit the nail on the head reasonable power and low weight!
I have driven a MK2 and to be honest it left me a little cold, very fast very grippy but just lost the special feel that the MK1 had, that might be a feel thats gone forever tho! It was however a very good car, handled the power easily and i mean easily! it was competitively priced, please don't forget it was up against the R26r not the new RS250 megane.
The Mk3 will use the 2.3 litre ecoboost without a doubt. The power will be more than 300, it just will. the body will be a 5 door it just will!
The big questions I would say are these, what will the drive train be? I suspect FWD but wouldn't put money on it.
Will given the success of the new Fiesta ST there be a new fiesta RS. That could kill literally all the competitors, 250 bhp FWD 3dr. I hope this arrives as that would be where my money would be going!
I drive one of the "undriveable" MK1s not a huge shock from the user name! I never understood what all the fuss was about mine just grips and grips, and never once have i thought it going to kill me, point to point on a twisty road I doubt if much could lose it, it hit the nail on the head reasonable power and low weight!
I have driven a MK2 and to be honest it left me a little cold, very fast very grippy but just lost the special feel that the MK1 had, that might be a feel thats gone forever tho! It was however a very good car, handled the power easily and i mean easily! it was competitively priced, please don't forget it was up against the R26r not the new RS250 megane.
The Mk3 will use the 2.3 litre ecoboost without a doubt. The power will be more than 300, it just will. the body will be a 5 door it just will!
The big questions I would say are these, what will the drive train be? I suspect FWD but wouldn't put money on it.
Will given the success of the new Fiesta ST there be a new fiesta RS. That could kill literally all the competitors, 250 bhp FWD 3dr. I hope this arrives as that would be where my money would be going!
F1GTRUeno said:
Whatever the specification it's guaranteed to be goppingly ugly.
Really don't know what Ford's designers were thinking when they drew it up. Shame because the first Focus RS is one of the best looking hatchbacks ever made.
But then people complained it was too understated for an RS. Mk2 Focus and people complain its too much. Really don't know what Ford's designers were thinking when they drew it up. Shame because the first Focus RS is one of the best looking hatchbacks ever made.
s m said:
stargazer30 said:
I'd rather have something light, RWD, with 200bhp, with decent torque. (maybe I'm getting too old!)
You can still buy a nice Cosworth for 10k - have it cleaned underneath and rust proofed well and you won't lose much on it. Light, rwd, 200bhp and decent torque
RS MOJO said:
Having owned a MK2 MP350 (345 BHP) it was more than adequate at putting the power down with FWD and i think this is the way they will go again for cost/development cost reasons. only downside is 0-60 as they aren't quick off the line.
Thats a contradiction you see. If it was good at putting the power down its 0-60 at 350bhp would be better. Its torque limited in the lower gears so really it only the same as a 200bhp ish car until out of 2nd. An earlier post was comparing them with M3s. AMGs etc.. these are RWD or 4WD so weight transfer is helping not hindering in cars like that, big BHP makes more sense here IMO. Not in FWD/road cars though. In a FWD you can only use the max power available for very fast in gear acceleration, and usually at higher speeds, which on most UK roads puts you above the speed limit.
Post about the Mk1 RS. Now this makes more sense. Chalk and cheese with the mK2. The Mk1 was much lighter, had less BHP and could use all of it all of the time. Been given a spirited drive in one when I was on FFOC, at the time I owned a mapped mk2 Focus ST. The RS did a much better job of putting its power down than mine.
stargazer30 said:
s m said:
stargazer30 said:
I'd rather have something light, RWD, with 200bhp, with decent torque. (maybe I'm getting too old!)
You can still buy a nice Cosworth for 10k - have it cleaned underneath and rust proofed well and you won't lose much on it. Light, rwd, 200bhp and decent torque
The original 15s aren't as bling but they're a good balance for ride and handling - it was more the damping that wasn't quite up to scratch on the OE spec stuff. They got good reviews for ride quality when compared to contemporaries like the M3 and Merc 190 16valves
They should be pretty quick if they are running right - 60 in high 5s, low 6s and 100 in 15/16
The originally planned Weber Map put them at 5.2 and 12.5 to 60 and a 100 - the engines were designed to run that
vanschpunk said:
It will be 350bhp, 4x4 and circa £30k
1. After complaints from people who went elsewhere due to mk2 frs being fwd, they will make it 4x4
2. The fact the Mustang Ecoboost is £30k and rwd, it would steal fwd mk3 frs sales. Ok less power. But that is what Mountune is for!! So thats why it will be 4x4.
3. If it is £35k everyone would just buy a rwd Mustang GT (V8) at the same price.
4. The FRS cant be in same price range as the Mustang GT.
5. It will fall between the £30k Mustang Ecoboost and the £35k Mustang GT. So £30k sounds like a nice round figure.
6. It will be 350bhp, as the mk2 frs was 300bhp and rs500 was 350bhp. Having any less, would have it lacking vs the Golf R, Audi RS3 and Merc A45 AMG.
Sphincter leakage opinion posted as fact.1. After complaints from people who went elsewhere due to mk2 frs being fwd, they will make it 4x4
2. The fact the Mustang Ecoboost is £30k and rwd, it would steal fwd mk3 frs sales. Ok less power. But that is what Mountune is for!! So thats why it will be 4x4.
3. If it is £35k everyone would just buy a rwd Mustang GT (V8) at the same price.
4. The FRS cant be in same price range as the Mustang GT.
5. It will fall between the £30k Mustang Ecoboost and the £35k Mustang GT. So £30k sounds like a nice round figure.
6. It will be 350bhp, as the mk2 frs was 300bhp and rs500 was 350bhp. Having any less, would have it lacking vs the Golf R, Audi RS3 and Merc A45 AMG.
FACT
Crafty_ said:
If it is 4x4 I can't see it being under £35k. Does anyone have a picture of a current focus floorpan/underside ? just wonder exactly how easy it would be to convert the shells.
Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
The Kuga is 4WD and the underbody is common with Focus. Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
GroundEffect said:
Crafty_ said:
If it is 4x4 I can't see it being under £35k. Does anyone have a picture of a current focus floorpan/underside ? just wonder exactly how easy it would be to convert the shells.
Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
The Kuga is 4WD and the underbody is common with Focus. Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
k would you know??TheDoggingFather said:
GroundEffect said:
Crafty_ said:
If it is 4x4 I can't see it being under £35k. Does anyone have a picture of a current focus floorpan/underside ? just wonder exactly how easy it would be to convert the shells.
Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
The Kuga is 4WD and the underbody is common with Focus. Regardless of what configuration/engine etc it is it will sell well and hold its price, like any RS does.
k would you know??
Wow... What a load of s*** posted on this thread..
As for what the new focus will have, lets wait and see.... It'll sell out for sure whatever they decide to do with it..
The Mk1 Focus RS was a great car, the Mk2 focus RS even better IMHO.
As for the AWD / FWD argument, fun versus efficiency is a difficult one to answer.. I look forward to Ford's response!!!
As for what the new focus will have, lets wait and see.... It'll sell out for sure whatever they decide to do with it..
The Mk1 Focus RS was a great car, the Mk2 focus RS even better IMHO.
As for the AWD / FWD argument, fun versus efficiency is a difficult one to answer.. I look forward to Ford's response!!!
RS Peg said:
Wow... What a load of s*** posted on this thread..
As for what the new focus will have, lets wait and see.... It'll sell out for sure whatever they decide to do with it..
The Mk1 Focus RS was a great car, the Mk2 focus RS even better IMHO.
As for the AWD / FWD argument, fun versus efficiency is a difficult one to answer.. I look forward to Ford's response!!!
Agreed, and Ford's answer will be "whatever is cheapest to make", as the fan base will buy all the production no matter what. As for what the new focus will have, lets wait and see.... It'll sell out for sure whatever they decide to do with it..
The Mk1 Focus RS was a great car, the Mk2 focus RS even better IMHO.
As for the AWD / FWD argument, fun versus efficiency is a difficult one to answer.. I look forward to Ford's response!!!
They're a business and will milk every penny out of the RS name.
Not that I'm against Ford, mind, the new Mustang is fantastic
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