Best smoker barges 1-5 large [vol8]
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slippery said:
Not really for this thread, but it's this one and I can assure you that it drinks considerably less than the V12, but depreciates much faster! ![](http://thumbsnap.com/sc/rXy4C7J1.jpg[/img]</a> <a href="http://thumbsnap.com/DgH4nEvd" Target="_blank">[img]http://thumbsnap.com/sc/DgH4nEvd.jpg)
Apologies for the naff pics. They were taken just after it arrived and when it had started to get a bit dark.
Looks great Slippery, congratulations.Look forward to hearing more about it, and the rest of your fleet for that matter.Apologies for the naff pics. They were taken just after it arrived and when it had started to get a bit dark.
mccrackenj said:
Hi all!
Haven't posted on my own fleet for a while (and now posting on an infernal 'hand-held' contraption so forgive the grammatical or other wobblies) but the 500SEC might soon be for the 'heavenly garage'.
I wanted to rearrange the cars recently so moved the sec and the R129 out of the driveway to put them back in in reverse order. Then reversed the SEC backwards into a telegraph pole at all of 5-6 mph.
Result is that the quote for repair is £5200 incl VAT!!! This is from small local independent not main dealer - but still includes such nonsense as £1,300 + VAT for boot lid and £670 + VAT for rear light unit etc - plus chrome trims plus paint etc etc - you get the picture!
It's quite heartbreaking after all the hassle I've had with the car and the fact that after 16 months I've finally got it sorted and running nicely - I was finally starting to warm to it - but that's that.
Obviously I could get it repaired much much cheaper than that but I've handed it over the insurance coy and am waiting for it to be written off. Although it was all sorted before the incident, the car has given me no pleasure whatsoever in the time I've had it and I just want to cut my losses and move on. £10 per mile?
I think it's time to take refuge in 1 x very nice W124 plus 1 x £1000 modern hatch/banger
If the insurance company do write it off please buy the salvage back and repair it with second hand body parts from eBay, they are cheap and plentiful. It would be such a shame to hear of another SEC being scrapped. If you dont fancy the hassle please let me know as I could be interested in taking it on to keep my other broken SEC company. Haven't posted on my own fleet for a while (and now posting on an infernal 'hand-held' contraption so forgive the grammatical or other wobblies) but the 500SEC might soon be for the 'heavenly garage'.
I wanted to rearrange the cars recently so moved the sec and the R129 out of the driveway to put them back in in reverse order. Then reversed the SEC backwards into a telegraph pole at all of 5-6 mph.
Result is that the quote for repair is £5200 incl VAT!!! This is from small local independent not main dealer - but still includes such nonsense as £1,300 + VAT for boot lid and £670 + VAT for rear light unit etc - plus chrome trims plus paint etc etc - you get the picture!
It's quite heartbreaking after all the hassle I've had with the car and the fact that after 16 months I've finally got it sorted and running nicely - I was finally starting to warm to it - but that's that.
Obviously I could get it repaired much much cheaper than that but I've handed it over the insurance coy and am waiting for it to be written off. Although it was all sorted before the incident, the car has given me no pleasure whatsoever in the time I've had it and I just want to cut my losses and move on. £10 per mile?
I think it's time to take refuge in 1 x very nice W124 plus 1 x £1000 modern hatch/banger
Do you have all the older cars on classic policies Jonathan?
I have all three of our cars insured with Peter Best, 107 and 124 on classic policy our 2010 W169 a-class on a modern one. The modern one policies are the only ones on which no-claims seems to be of particular relevance, so... If you plan to lose your only modern car you might not have much to lose on future premiums at all. Only concern might be if you have have no modern car policies for over two years all previously accrued no-claims seems to evaporate.
Commiserations all round to those with recent car catastrophe - I feel the pain a bit myself with the 107 since the MOT failure and the requirement for chassis welding (going to be a bit of a bill on that one). It's with Pedro my local indie who's going to fix it up and do some preventative work on the rest of the underside.
Congrats to Mr Slippery on what is supreme barge albeit squeaking clear of thread money... I look forward to hankering after and trying one out maybe in about 15-20 years time! I'm seeing a lot of them around, proving to be very popular. I echo Harry's comments, I do like hearing about your cars.
What I feel this thread gives me is the reassurance that I'm not alone in respecting older quality cars and trying out a refined form of bangernomics. The miser in me likes not paying depreciation or interest payments on finance. Not sure it pays off or not, I daren't add up the bills to see if I should really be leasing something boring.
Slippery's words are a great comfort, if even with an FFRR like that at your disposal the smoker barge still appeals, I can't have gone completely mad!
I have all three of our cars insured with Peter Best, 107 and 124 on classic policy our 2010 W169 a-class on a modern one. The modern one policies are the only ones on which no-claims seems to be of particular relevance, so... If you plan to lose your only modern car you might not have much to lose on future premiums at all. Only concern might be if you have have no modern car policies for over two years all previously accrued no-claims seems to evaporate.
Commiserations all round to those with recent car catastrophe - I feel the pain a bit myself with the 107 since the MOT failure and the requirement for chassis welding (going to be a bit of a bill on that one). It's with Pedro my local indie who's going to fix it up and do some preventative work on the rest of the underside.
Congrats to Mr Slippery on what is supreme barge albeit squeaking clear of thread money... I look forward to hankering after and trying one out maybe in about 15-20 years time! I'm seeing a lot of them around, proving to be very popular. I echo Harry's comments, I do like hearing about your cars.
What I feel this thread gives me is the reassurance that I'm not alone in respecting older quality cars and trying out a refined form of bangernomics. The miser in me likes not paying depreciation or interest payments on finance. Not sure it pays off or not, I daren't add up the bills to see if I should really be leasing something boring.
Slippery's words are a great comfort, if even with an FFRR like that at your disposal the smoker barge still appeals, I can't have gone completely mad!
idiotgap said:
Do you have all the older cars on classic policies Jonathan?
I have all three of our cars insured with Peter Best, 107 and 124 on classic policy our 2010 W169 a-class on a modern one. The modern one policies are the only ones on which no-claims seems to be of particular relevance, so... If you plan to lose your only modern car you might not have much to lose on future premiums at all. Only concern might be if you have have no modern car policies for over two years all previously accrued no-claims seems to evaporate.
Commiserations all round to those with recent car catastrophe - I feel the pain a bit myself with the 107 since the MOT failure and the requirement for chassis welding (going to be a bit of a bill on that one). It's with Pedro my local indie who's going to fix it up and do some preventative work on the rest of the underside.
Congrats to Mr Slippery on what is supreme barge albeit squeaking clear of thread money... I look forward to hankering after and trying one out maybe in about 15-20 years time! I'm seeing a lot of them around, proving to be very popular. I echo Harry's comments, I do like hearing about your cars.
What I feel this thread gives me is the reassurance that I'm not alone in respecting older quality cars and trying out a refined form of bangernomics. The miser in me likes not paying depreciation or interest payments on finance. Not sure it pays off or not, I daren't add up the bills to see if I should really be leasing something boring.
Slippery's words are a great comfort, if even with an FFRR like that at your disposal the smoker barge still appeals, I can't have gone completely mad!
Mine are all on modern policies because we use them for commuting and I use them for business travel. The appeal of the barge is simple: it's different, it's fun and, while not free, it is usually cheaper than anything but the dullest modern. Plus, most of us seem to enjoy suffering and then solving the problems.I have all three of our cars insured with Peter Best, 107 and 124 on classic policy our 2010 W169 a-class on a modern one. The modern one policies are the only ones on which no-claims seems to be of particular relevance, so... If you plan to lose your only modern car you might not have much to lose on future premiums at all. Only concern might be if you have have no modern car policies for over two years all previously accrued no-claims seems to evaporate.
Commiserations all round to those with recent car catastrophe - I feel the pain a bit myself with the 107 since the MOT failure and the requirement for chassis welding (going to be a bit of a bill on that one). It's with Pedro my local indie who's going to fix it up and do some preventative work on the rest of the underside.
Congrats to Mr Slippery on what is supreme barge albeit squeaking clear of thread money... I look forward to hankering after and trying one out maybe in about 15-20 years time! I'm seeing a lot of them around, proving to be very popular. I echo Harry's comments, I do like hearing about your cars.
What I feel this thread gives me is the reassurance that I'm not alone in respecting older quality cars and trying out a refined form of bangernomics. The miser in me likes not paying depreciation or interest payments on finance. Not sure it pays off or not, I daren't add up the bills to see if I should really be leasing something boring.
Slippery's words are a great comfort, if even with an FFRR like that at your disposal the smoker barge still appeals, I can't have gone completely mad!
You all get these emails?
Edited by r129sl on Thursday 29th January 11:31
You can get cover for commuting on some classic policies - your mileage and business use though would count you out.
On the lease side the business part stands in your favour I assume, I never looked into these things to understand exactly how it works out but I guess it's the VAT on private quotations that make them less attractive.
Did you hear about the lease John Boggis got on the CLS-brake that he replaced their S124 with?
On the lease side the business part stands in your favour I assume, I never looked into these things to understand exactly how it works out but I guess it's the VAT on private quotations that make them less attractive.
Did you hear about the lease John Boggis got on the CLS-brake that he replaced their S124 with?
r129sl said:
You all get these emails?
Just doing the sums on that, doesn't seem much cheaper than a used C320 CDi, I'm my calculation is right (30 payments at £269 a month). For example, see this 38,000 mile C320 CDi for £10,495.Edited by r129sl on Thursday 29th January 11:31
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-C320-3-0TD...
If you were happy to have a C Class, surely that sort of thing is where you'd look since it would at least give you something tangible once the cash is out of your hands? The thing that bugs me about the C Class though, is that it is quite obviously a squashed little family car. Perfect for your other half, but not particularly special for your own enjoyment. The interiors in particular have always been a bit naff.
More to my taste. The pictures could do with a little more light and colour, but they get the point across:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-JAGUAR-XJ8-3-2V8-SP...
I didn't hear about the CLS-break lease. Would like to, you know, just to sicken myself.
I can't recall what the tax rules are on a lease. I think I'd get half the VAT back and possibly would be able to deduct half the lease cost on my tax return (depending on my business mileage).
But a lease that is good for 25,000miles a year starts to cost serious money. I just looked at a BMW 335i touring (which is the kind of thing it would have to be to persuade me to come out of the barges I enjoy so much) and they'd want £4,000 up front then £600 (both inc VAT) a month thereafter. That's a lot more than any of my oldsters costs me. I am also a bit sceptical about the end of lease charges: I know I'd get stung for another grand. Finally, I don't like committing myself to that kind of expenditure: sometimes I have a bad month and cash gets very tight.
I couldn't do a 4cyl CDI. I tried that with the modern Golf and it didn't work. I just don't want to drive it and will take any other car instead.
I can't recall what the tax rules are on a lease. I think I'd get half the VAT back and possibly would be able to deduct half the lease cost on my tax return (depending on my business mileage).
But a lease that is good for 25,000miles a year starts to cost serious money. I just looked at a BMW 335i touring (which is the kind of thing it would have to be to persuade me to come out of the barges I enjoy so much) and they'd want £4,000 up front then £600 (both inc VAT) a month thereafter. That's a lot more than any of my oldsters costs me. I am also a bit sceptical about the end of lease charges: I know I'd get stung for another grand. Finally, I don't like committing myself to that kind of expenditure: sometimes I have a bad month and cash gets very tight.
I couldn't do a 4cyl CDI. I tried that with the modern Golf and it didn't work. I just don't want to drive it and will take any other car instead.
jke11y said:
I was driving to work in the 129 this morning with all the recent thread talk at the back of my head, expecting to be struck down by the god of barge.
I am dreading getting into mine on Saturday, with all these barging issues of late on the thread! I sincerely hope nothing falls off, on to or into it!
£9k inc VAT for two years and 20,000miles' motoring (plus fuel, tyres and anything else it may need). 45p a mile.
It's not bad but it doesn't actually set me alight. MB World loaned me a CLS350 CDI break last Easter and it was nice enough but I was pleased to swap back into my old 124 at the end of the weekend. Excluding the forthcoming costs, I reckon my 124 has cost me £15,000 for 2.5years and 65,000miles' motoring (plus fuel). 23p a mile. And I still have a 124, albeit one with only three wheels. Plus I have all that crap I can't help buying, like summer and winter wheels, snow chains (never used), various roof rails, a matching roof box, cycle rack, ski rack (never used), pretty much anything on Ebay with "124" in the title...
Anyway, this has been done before.
That 525i touring is beautiful.
It's not bad but it doesn't actually set me alight. MB World loaned me a CLS350 CDI break last Easter and it was nice enough but I was pleased to swap back into my old 124 at the end of the weekend. Excluding the forthcoming costs, I reckon my 124 has cost me £15,000 for 2.5years and 65,000miles' motoring (plus fuel). 23p a mile. And I still have a 124, albeit one with only three wheels. Plus I have all that crap I can't help buying, like summer and winter wheels, snow chains (never used), various roof rails, a matching roof box, cycle rack, ski rack (never used), pretty much anything on Ebay with "124" in the title...
Anyway, this has been done before.
That 525i touring is beautiful.
I have done more lease/bargain barge sums than you care to imagine over the last few years. In a nutshell, if you cover highish miles and own your Ltd company, there is no better way of doing it financially, than in about five grand's worth of comfy but reasonably economical barge, that you own and run privately and then claim mileage against your company for. Anything else is man maths.
idiotgap said:
r129sl said:
I didn't hear about the CLS-break lease. Would like to, you know, just to sicken myself.
£52k list price - £1554 deposit and £259 a month for 23 months.10k miles a year and free road tax.
I gather it was an exceptional deal.
I go to work on a train and am paye, but I still need to get around by car sometimes. As long as there are cars like that BMW around that remain viable when compared with the mundane stuff I know what I'm going to be doing.
I fear the manufacturers are wise to this and busy building obsolescence back into the cars... we'll see.
I suppose the benefit of largely throw-away society is that there's plenty of value in discarded items, sometimes hoovering them up feels like cheating. I can't get motivated by the current bling when there's so much more integrity in older designs. By taking a contrarian position though, I'm either savvy chap or a deluded beggar.
I fear the manufacturers are wise to this and busy building obsolescence back into the cars... we'll see.
I suppose the benefit of largely throw-away society is that there's plenty of value in discarded items, sometimes hoovering them up feels like cheating. I can't get motivated by the current bling when there's so much more integrity in older designs. By taking a contrarian position though, I'm either savvy chap or a deluded beggar.
bmthnick1981 said:
idiotgap said:
r129sl said:
I didn't hear about the CLS-break lease. Would like to, you know, just to sicken myself.
£52k list price - £1554 deposit and £259 a month for 23 months.10k miles a year and free road tax.
I gather it was an exceptional deal.
idiotgap said:
I go to work on a train and am paye, but I still need to get around by car sometimes. As long as there are cars like that BMW around that remain viable when compared with the mundane stuff I know what I'm going to be doing.
I fear the manufacturers are wise to this and busy building obsolescence back into the cars... we'll see.
I suppose the benefit of largely throw-away society is that there's plenty of value in discarded items, sometimes hoovering them up feels like cheating. I can't get motivated by the current bling when there's so much more integrity in older designs. By taking a contrarian position though, I'm either savvy chap or a deluded beggar.
I fear the manufacturers are wise to this and busy building obsolescence back into the cars... we'll see.
I suppose the benefit of largely throw-away society is that there's plenty of value in discarded items, sometimes hoovering them up feels like cheating. I can't get motivated by the current bling when there's so much more integrity in older designs. By taking a contrarian position though, I'm either savvy chap or a deluded beggar.
I'm definitely with you on that!
And the Bargista Ethos definitely extents to all aspects of my life. Recent examples would include:
1) The pair of Barker's shoes that I bought on Ebay from a new Ebayer on a "No Reserve" auction and which promptly arrived yesterday. These were described as having been only worn once...but that must have been once indoors as they look absolutely new! I estimate that they must have cost at least £200. They seemed all the more incredibly comfortable as I slipped them on whilst reminding myself that I had paid the princely sum of £14.50 for them!
That was just after I'd come home with 2 loaves of near expired bread for the wife and kids that I'd picked up in the Co-op knocked down to 19p per loaf. Nothing wrong with it as far as I could see.
2) Admittedly, I did take the Bargista Ethos (Bargism?) a little too far at lunchtime today.
Having been served my steak pie and chips at the counter and collected myself a can of Diet Carbonated Beverage from the fridge, I proceeded to my usual seat at the far side of the hospital canteen. After munching my way through said fayre I was overcome by how much tastier it all seemed than normal. Lean beef, crispy chips...new formula Diet Coke perhaps? I couldn't think why.
At this point a dinner lady came to my table and explained to me that "Whilst she appreciated that we doctors aren't paid very much, the sustenance that I'd availed myself of was actually subject to a charge in the amount of £4.50."
I had just clean walked off past the cash register. It hadn't even crossed my mind to pay anything at all!
I coughed up the dough with 95% embarrassment (but still 5% resentment)....and suddenly the food no longer looked or tasted so delicious! Meat a bit gristly, chips a bit soggy...beverage a bit flat TBH.
Edited by derin100 on Thursday 29th January 17:05
Edited by derin100 on Thursday 29th January 17:05
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