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phil_cardiff said:
Gruber said:
phil_cardiff said:
Old Colonel gets some stick on here about pricing but he had an E91 330i with Birds suspension fitted and I thought it was very realistically priced compared to other E91s out there.
My problem isn't his pricing. It's the lack of honesty in his descriptions. In my case, "excellent rust free example" meant rusty arches. And don't get Flangio started on tales of imaginary service history...Two of my ex-cars have ended up there and perhaps serve to illustrate two ends of a spectrum:
Firstly, my ex-E32 735i ended up there. It was a superb, low mileage example and was every bit as described (if not more) and sold at what I believe was fairly modest profit. The chap has got to make a living and eat, for Godsake? And whoever bought it did well:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e32_735i_saloon/index...
Secondly, a few years ago I sold this E34 530i which ended up there very quickly:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/1989_BMW_E34_530i_Sal...
Now, it was a relatively low mileage E34 and drove extremely well indeed! However, it's paintwork was a real problem and I stated that quite clearly in my description and as such priced it at £600 because I knew how much it would cost to sort that out. It needed completely repainting to make it a nice car because at some point it looked like someone had scrubbed the car with a Brillo pad in places and we know how much that can cost.
It was described as having gleaming paintwork. This was utter nonsense. It was not retrievable other than having the car repainted. Yet someone still bought it at a hugely increased price over the £600 that I sold it for.
I suppose the lesson and caveat is, as with all of these cars, one has to see and make up one's own mind, then shoulder the consequences and just remind oneself that one isn't buying a new car and so not suffering and losing the money that one would in depreciation on a new car.
All of these cars in this thread were vastly expensive cars when new. To expect that one can buy one "as new" for less than £5K, sometimes over 20 year later and still expect an "as new" car is wholly unrealistic? To do so would probably involve a cost far in excess of what the car was when new!
I try to get my cars as good as I can but I've NEVER achieved a 'perfect' car...nor will I ever. There will always be a fault or something that could go wrong or something that someone could pick up on.
So, I don't think one should malign Old Colonel. One should go, see and make up one's own mind. If one doesn't like it; don't buy.
slippery said:
OK, so what is the right colour for a C140?
Purely personal opinion obviously, I think they suit JRG, dark metallics such as blue, deep red and grey. I don't think they suit silver, black or any bright colours - a pillar box red one was posted some pages ago and it does not do the shape any favours. ETA - your car is JRG isn't it? The above is genuine, not said to flatter!
Edited by Stegel on Tuesday 3rd February 08:15
nickod said:
0a said:
That used to be mine! Great fun to drive. I just never used it enough when I had it. 
Am wanting an estate this week, as I'm renovating my flat. So far I've got a big old radiator in the E65, but it's been defeated by and old fridge...
Stegel said:
slippery said:
OK, so what is the right colour for a C140?
Purely personal opinion obviously, I think they suit JRG, dark metallics such as blue, deep red and grey. I don't think they suit silver, black or any bright colours - a pillar box red one was posted some pages ago and it does not do the shape any favours. ETA - your car is JRG isn't it? The above is genuine, not said to flatter!
Edited by Stegel on Tuesday 3rd February 08:15
derin100 said:
My only personal experience in relation to this subject are somewhat unusual but telling perhaps...?
Two of my ex-cars have ended up there and perhaps serve to illustrate two ends of a spectrum:
Firstly, my ex-E32 735i ended up there. It was a superb, low mileage example and was every bit as described (if not more) and sold at what I believe was fairly modest profit. The chap has got to make a living and eat, for Godsake? And whoever bought it did well:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e32_735i_saloon/index...
Secondly, a few years ago I sold this E34 530i which ended up there very quickly:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/1989_BMW_E34_530i_Sal...
Now, it was a relatively low mileage E34 and drove extremely well indeed! However, it's paintwork was a real problem and I stated that quite clearly in my description and as such priced it at £600 because I knew how much it would cost to sort that out. It needed completely repainting to make it a nice car because at some point it looked like someone had scrubbed the car with a Brillo pad in places and we know how much that can cost.
It was described as having gleaming paintwork. This was utter nonsense. It was not retrievable other than having the car repainted. Yet someone still bought it at a hugely increased price over the £600 that I sold it for.
I suppose the lesson and caveat is, as with all of these cars, one has to see and make up one's own mind, then shoulder the consequences and just remind oneself that one isn't buying a new car and so not suffering and losing the money that one would in depreciation on a new car.
All of these cars in this thread were vastly expensive cars when new. To expect that one can buy one "as new" for less than £5K, sometimes over 20 year later and still expect an "as new" car is wholly unrealistic? To do so would probably involve a cost far in excess of what the car was when new!
I try to get my cars as good as I can but I've NEVER achieved a 'perfect' car...nor will I ever. There will always be a fault or something that could go wrong or something that someone could pick up on.
So, I don't think one should malign Old Colonel. One should go, see and make up one's own mind. If one doesn't like it; don't buy.
In fairness, I bought my E36 325i Coupe from OC a year ago, unseen but with a professional inspection, and it was in excellent condition and pretty much as described. Two of my ex-cars have ended up there and perhaps serve to illustrate two ends of a spectrum:
Firstly, my ex-E32 735i ended up there. It was a superb, low mileage example and was every bit as described (if not more) and sold at what I believe was fairly modest profit. The chap has got to make a living and eat, for Godsake? And whoever bought it did well:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e32_735i_saloon/index...
Secondly, a few years ago I sold this E34 530i which ended up there very quickly:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/1989_BMW_E34_530i_Sal...
Now, it was a relatively low mileage E34 and drove extremely well indeed! However, it's paintwork was a real problem and I stated that quite clearly in my description and as such priced it at £600 because I knew how much it would cost to sort that out. It needed completely repainting to make it a nice car because at some point it looked like someone had scrubbed the car with a Brillo pad in places and we know how much that can cost.
It was described as having gleaming paintwork. This was utter nonsense. It was not retrievable other than having the car repainted. Yet someone still bought it at a hugely increased price over the £600 that I sold it for.
I suppose the lesson and caveat is, as with all of these cars, one has to see and make up one's own mind, then shoulder the consequences and just remind oneself that one isn't buying a new car and so not suffering and losing the money that one would in depreciation on a new car.
All of these cars in this thread were vastly expensive cars when new. To expect that one can buy one "as new" for less than £5K, sometimes over 20 year later and still expect an "as new" car is wholly unrealistic? To do so would probably involve a cost far in excess of what the car was when new!
I try to get my cars as good as I can but I've NEVER achieved a 'perfect' car...nor will I ever. There will always be a fault or something that could go wrong or something that someone could pick up on.
So, I don't think one should malign Old Colonel. One should go, see and make up one's own mind. If one doesn't like it; don't buy.
I've spent a lot on it since, but mainly precautionary replacement of 'known issue' items to avoid future problems.
derin100 said:
phil_cardiff said:
Gruber said:
phil_cardiff said:
Old Colonel gets some stick on here about pricing but he had an E91 330i with Birds suspension fitted and I thought it was very realistically priced compared to other E91s out there.
My problem isn't his pricing. It's the lack of honesty in his descriptions. In my case, "excellent rust free example" meant rusty arches. And don't get Flangio started on tales of imaginary service history...Two of my ex-cars have ended up there and perhaps serve to illustrate two ends of a spectrum:
Firstly, my ex-E32 735i ended up there. It was a superb, low mileage example and was every bit as described (if not more) and sold at what I believe was fairly modest profit. The chap has got to make a living and eat, for Godsake? And whoever bought it did well:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/e32_735i_saloon/index...
Secondly, a few years ago I sold this E34 530i which ended up there very quickly:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/1989_BMW_E34_530i_Sal...
Now, it was a relatively low mileage E34 and drove extremely well indeed! However, it's paintwork was a real problem and I stated that quite clearly in my description and as such priced it at £600 because I knew how much it would cost to sort that out. It needed completely repainting to make it a nice car because at some point it looked like someone had scrubbed the car with a Brillo pad in places and we know how much that can cost.
It was described as having gleaming paintwork. This was utter nonsense. It was not retrievable other than having the car repainted. Yet someone still bought it at a hugely increased price over the £600 that I sold it for.
I suppose the lesson and caveat is, as with all of these cars, one has to see and make up one's own mind, then shoulder the consequences and just remind oneself that one isn't buying a new car and so not suffering and losing the money that one would in depreciation on a new car.
All of these cars in this thread were vastly expensive cars when new. To expect that one can buy one "as new" for less than £5K, sometimes over 20 year later and still expect an "as new" car is wholly unrealistic? To do so would probably involve a cost far in excess of what the car was when new!
I try to get my cars as good as I can but I've NEVER achieved a 'perfect' car...nor will I ever. There will always be a fault or something that could go wrong or something that someone could pick up on.
So, I don't think one should malign Old Colonel. One should go, see and make up one's own mind. If one doesn't like it; don't buy.
There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Tuesday 3rd February 12:25
SpeckledJim said:
Sometimes half the game is where you buy from. Some people going out to find 'a belter' won't search under £3k. They are determined to buy from the top of the market, and to some extent that depends more on the price asked than the goods in question.
There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
^^This. My experience of the specialists' cars is that they're not as good as they're cracked up to be.There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
r129sl said:
SpeckledJim said:
Sometimes half the game is where you buy from. Some people going out to find 'a belter' won't search under £3k. They are determined to buy from the top of the market, and to some extent that depends more on the price asked than the goods in question.
There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
^^This. My experience of the specialists' cars is that they're not as good as they're cracked up to be.There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
Investment in presentation adds value overall - £200 spent with a valeter = £1000 on the price. £400 spent in the paint shop = another £1000 on the price.
Preparation works the other way - £1000 spent on tyres or brake/suspension parts = basically nothing on the price.
Retailers pay for shiny bits and owners pay for oily bits.
SpeckledJim said:
r129sl said:
SpeckledJim said:
Sometimes half the game is where you buy from. Some people going out to find 'a belter' won't search under £3k. They are determined to buy from the top of the market, and to some extent that depends more on the price asked than the goods in question.
There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
^^This. My experience of the specialists' cars is that they're not as good as they're cracked up to be.There is a reassurance in buying the most expensive (gladly this illusion doesn't work on me) and the specialist traders rely to some extent on that. Of course, they are also generally good to deal with, and will stand behind a car should there be a problem.
Investment in presentation adds value overall - £200 spent with a valeter = £1000 on the price. £400 spent in the paint shop = another £1000 on the price.
Preparation works the other way - £1000 spent on tyres or brake/suspension parts = basically nothing on the price.
Retailers pay for shiny bits and owners pay for oily bits.
Unfortunately the mileage looks to be a typo.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
W00DY said:
Last serviced 142k. It's almost a pity, 11M miles in 7 years would be quite something!I know that these represent all that is wrong, with oligarch-levels of potential bills, but I actually quite like them. It's my sordid little secret.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
W00DY said:
Last serviced 142k. It's almost a pity, 11M miles in 7 years would be quite something!I know that these represent all that is wrong, with oligarch-levels of potential bills, but I actually quite like them. It's my sordid little secret.
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