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Can someone butter me up vis-a-vis the Jag XJ?
After all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
After all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
SpeckledJim said:
mccrackenj said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
r129sl said:
I agree with you: the 124 is a more satisfying all round proposition than the 129. But now try a 190...
I'm hankering after a 107. Still always come back to the 124 for its 'rightness' though. The C126 is of similar age, condition and mileage, but the W124 clearly feels of a different generation to drive, which it is of course. And I prefer an in-line six to a V8 these days.
I like all 3, but when I just want a 'car' to jump into and go somewhere I have to go, it's the W124.
0a said:
r129sl said:
I agree with you: the 124 is a more satisfying all round proposition than the 129. But now try a 190...
I think I shall have to find a 190. 6 cylinders, air con and leather would be required for the full mini barge status though. Another car for the R129 stable has just appeared on an all-Ireland for sale site that I keep an eye on. Same colour scheme as his recent 190e purchase, but 2.6 auto. £1300.
Personally I just couldn't.
Gruber said:
Can someone butter me up vis-a-vis the Jag XJ?
After all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
If you're going for the X300/X308 body style, then I would go for the I6. The V8 does have an appeal, but the six cylinder engine and transmission is just so much stronger. You won't have trouble with it - you could well have trouble with a V8.After all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
The later cars are outside my area of knowledge/experience - but I was under the impression that Jaguar had addressed all of the shortcomings of the earlier 4 litre V8 (timing chain tensioners; water pump impeller) on the 4.2 litre V8 they used in the X350.
My brother had an X350 Super V8 about ten years ago. It was a very good car indeed - with tremendous power and refinement. It was a much better car than the BMW E65 he replaced it with (the Jag was stolen and written off). The BMW was a real step down in comparison - the Jag made it feel like a big rep's car. Though the BMW was a good car itself of course and very reliable, he was always disappointed with it, since it compared so unfavourably to the Jaguar X350. He replaced it with a Jaguar Supersport a year or two ago.
If you can find an X350 Super V8 they are well worth it. The Autolux leather is lovely and the veneers seem to be better quality. it is still hobbled with the occasional dire plastic bit you wouldn't find in a w124 unfortunately (plastic ash tray lids, I'm looking at you!!) - though the car itself felt to be good quality. It was quite economical too, despite being a Supercharged V8 - he used to get well into the twenties and is a hard driver.
XJ40s are marvellous things - I love mine! It isn't as good as a car as the X350, but it has bucket loads more charm. "Here's my Pub landlord special"
r129sl said:
A bit of a barge reality check: on Friday the 124 had a new condensor fitted, necessary to remedy the non-functioning air con.
I need a condensor and the other key bit (is it the evaporator?) My man tells me it'll be expensive but wasn't sure how much. Do you mind saying what yours cost please? The evaporator will be expensive to fit, since it sits under the dash. I wouldn't have said they fail that often.
The other under bonnet part is the compressor. It is the pump which drives he system. These are generally made by an outside manufacturer - like Sanden for example - and not specific to an individual car. They can often be available much cheaper buying with the A/C manufacturer's part number, rather than the car manufacturer part number in my experience. But check it has the right plug on it!!
The other under bonnet part is the compressor. It is the pump which drives he system. These are generally made by an outside manufacturer - like Sanden for example - and not specific to an individual car. They can often be available much cheaper buying with the A/C manufacturer's part number, rather than the car manufacturer part number in my experience. But check it has the right plug on it!!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 20th May 12:03
Gruber said:
Can someone butter me up vis-a-vis the Jag XJ?
After all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201504182724243/sort/default/postcode/cb25aw/page/1/make/jaguar/radius/1500/usedcars/price-to/4500/channel/cars/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/model/xj/keywords/3.0/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles?logcode=pAfter all the helpful suggestions a few days back, the F-i-L has responded with enthusiasm for a Jag, despite the fact that it meets very few of the original criteria. Given that we all know how common sense is no yardstick for automotive purchases, I'm keen to encourage him.
And, of course, it lands me more fairly and squarely back within the realms of this magnificent thread.
So... digging through hazy recollections of posts of the past, am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350? If we go down the route of the latter, we'll be looking for an early leggy example so as not to screw the budget too royally.
(I'd still love an XJ40 in full pub landlord spec, but that's another matter).
Oh, and all this talk of 190s has brought back very happy memories. I want another.
Ok, it's 50% over budget but it looks a ripper. Owner to take a bid on it too...
QuantumTokoloshi said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
S3_Graham said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Located near Farnborough. Otherwise destined for the tip prior to a house move.
Didn't realise you were in Farnborough? I work at the airport and live near Hook. ALawson that PM'd about my 124 is in Fleet. Thats 3 of us pretty damn close!In all seriousness, would be good to look at each other's cars and talk s
t for an hour sometime.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 20th May 10:29
I had a new condenser and evaporator on the 124 not so long ago done at vehvac who I can recommend. Can't remember the cost offhand but will check.
Gruber said:
am I correct to assume we should avoid the V8 and plumb for an I6-equipped X300 or a V6 X350?
No.There are a couple of known issues with the V8, but they're easy to check for. The V8 engines are peaches, being both more powerful and more economical than the sixes.
They also feel far less dated inside (it's all relative with a Jag, as I'm sure you appreciate).
Being newer should, in theory, mean less rust, but they all need checking.
The X350 is noticeably more roomy. If economy is a concern then the 3.0 V6 would be worth a look.
I am about to disprove a bit of thread wisdom regarding the notorious "aircon just needs a re-gas" line in adverts.
I bought my car in the depths of winter, so was not able to check properly if the aircon was actually working correctly, and received the infamous line above.
I am happy to report that although I subsequently found the aircon was not working, but following a service and regas in Jan, it has continued to work fine since then. So, sometimes, just sometimes, it is just a regas.
Sod's law now dictates, I will get home and find the aircon has packed up on the car.
I bought my car in the depths of winter, so was not able to check properly if the aircon was actually working correctly, and received the infamous line above.
I am happy to report that although I subsequently found the aircon was not working, but following a service and regas in Jan, it has continued to work fine since then. So, sometimes, just sometimes, it is just a regas.
Sod's law now dictates, I will get home and find the aircon has packed up on the car.
barchetta_boy said:
SpeckledJim said:
I agree. W124 is a superb achievement for the engineers involved.
But the 190 seems to me the best-met brief I can think of. There is a strictness about the 190e, a commitment to seriousness, that runs through the car without deviation. I imagine the chap who ran that project to have been a formidable professional.
Sorry my thread wBut the 190 seems to me the best-met brief I can think of. There is a strictness about the 190e, a commitment to seriousness, that runs through the car without deviation. I imagine the chap who ran that project to have been a formidable professional.
k alert just went off. I'm 6' 1 and can't get my legs under the non-adjustable steering wheel in the 190 without a lot of squeezing and swearing. Fritz didn't think of that did he? You can buy a new mountney boss for about £40 and a used momo wheel on eBay for about £25. 10 minutes to swap over. A dramatic increase in space and comfort IMO.
Edited by SuperHangOn on Wednesday 20th May 13:34
Output Flange said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Sod's law now dictates, I will get home and find the aircon has packed up on the car.
But how did the gas that was in there before escape?I love the interior of this car- dread to think what it would have cost...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C615971
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C615971
Thank you for all the Jag advice. Very much appreciated.
I need to push the in-laws to understand exactly how much money they're prepared to spend. It definitely sounds like the X350 would be the better bet ("roomier" would be good - the F-i-L is a tall chap).
dbdb - lovely XJ40! Well jel, as they say.
I need to push the in-laws to understand exactly how much money they're prepared to spend. It definitely sounds like the X350 would be the better bet ("roomier" would be good - the F-i-L is a tall chap).
dbdb - lovely XJ40! Well jel, as they say.
mccrackenj said:
0a said:
r129sl said:
I agree with you: the 124 is a more satisfying all round proposition than the 129. But now try a 190...
I think I shall have to find a 190. 6 cylinders, air con and leather would be required for the full mini barge status though. Another car for the R129 stable has just appeared on an all-Ireland for sale site that I keep an eye on. Same colour scheme as his recent 190e purchase, but 2.6 auto. £1300.
Personally I just couldn't.
[quote=QuantumTokoloshi]I am about to disprove a bit of thread wisdom regarding the notorious "aircon just needs a re-gas" line in adverts.
I bought my car in the depths of winter, so was not able to check properly if the aircon was actually working correctly, and received the infamous line above.
I am happy to report that although I subsequently found the aircon was not working, but following a service and regas in Jan, it has continued to work fine since then. So, sometimes, just sometimes, it is just a regas.
[quote]
Same happened to me buying my old SAAB barge last year. Warm aircon, just needs a regas sir, yeah right thinks I. Never mind, the car's cheap enough so I buy it. Aircon regas performed (at Kwik Fit, if it doesn't work you don't pay), worked a treat. Ice cold.
I bought my car in the depths of winter, so was not able to check properly if the aircon was actually working correctly, and received the infamous line above.
I am happy to report that although I subsequently found the aircon was not working, but following a service and regas in Jan, it has continued to work fine since then. So, sometimes, just sometimes, it is just a regas.
[quote]
Same happened to me buying my old SAAB barge last year. Warm aircon, just needs a regas sir, yeah right thinks I. Never mind, the car's cheap enough so I buy it. Aircon regas performed (at Kwik Fit, if it doesn't work you don't pay), worked a treat. Ice cold.
Edited by SilverSixer on Wednesday 20th May 15:23
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