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[derin100]

0a said:

derin100 said:

Off topic...and I know there are always similar actual threads of this nature going on...but I trust you guys on this thread and don't really know where to start searching for the following myself:

The twins turned 18 yesterday and the young lad has decided he wants a car. So, the criteria are:

1) Safe
2) Cheap to buy...I'm talking sub-£1K; preferably a lot "sub"
3) Cheap to insure
4) Reliable and/or cheap to fix

Basically, safe and cheap.

Could you guys suggest a short-list of cars for me so that I can start making a search.

Thanks in advance

Clearly the answer is a Merc 190!

On a more serious note, my first car was a Toyota Yaris first generation. They were safer than other cars of the era (and older ones) for their size, cheap to insure, and there are loads with high miles around as the 1.0 vvti is strong.

They are a pretty clever design as well, and I remember reading an article in Autocar where Gordon Murray said he would always want one on his fleet. Loads for no money as well (though how many are Cat rated!) http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/toyot...

Merc 190 would have been good except too expensive to insure I fear?

I'll put Yaris on the list...but why so many Cat Cs ?

Ford Puma added as well.

I'm thinking of adding Merc A-Class to the list (manual only!) but don't know what insurance would be like?

[Motorrad]

derin100 said:

Off topic...and I know there are always similar actual threads of this nature going on...but I trust you guys on this thread and don't really know where to start searching for the following myself:

The twins turned 18 yesterday and the young lad has decided he wants a car. So, the criteria are:

1) Safe
2) Cheap to buy...I'm talking sub-£1K; preferably a lot "sub"
3) Cheap to insure
4) Reliable and/or cheap to fix

Basically, safe and cheap.

Could you guys suggest a short-list of cars for me so that I can start making a search.

Thanks in advance

Fiat Panda? Not much to go wrong, reasonable to drive, cheap to insure (they seem to load japanese cars for some reason) and fix. Also more modern so should be better in a crash.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Or maybe a Smart car?

[edo]

This could be well worth a look?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

BMW 7 SERIES 4.4 745Li 4dr
34949 miles
good condition and one owner, 1 owner, Next MOT due 18/03/2016, Full service history, Electric sunroof, Electric windows, Air conditioning, Satellite navigation, Parking aid, MP3 player, CD player, Leather trim, Heated seats, Height adjustable passenger seat, Child seat points (Isofix system), Power steering, Cruise control, Traction control, Central locking, Alarm, Immobiliser, Driver's airbags, Side airbags, Passenger airbags. 5 seats, GREY, £4,295

[jke11y]

Id struggle to look past a 2000 / 2001 shape polo for that kind of money / task. My other half had one and it was a great wee car (weirdly we were talking about it yesterday and how good a car it was).

[Adrian E]

golfer19 said:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C633605



£6000

I know the seller of that car - serial Audi owner with various quattro and 80/90 models under his belt - I bought a set of winter wheels and tyres from him for our S5, which were far better than I expected

I've not seen it but know he's fastidious with his cars but does rack up the miles when in the uk so probably not the first choice for many journeys!

[derin100]

jke11y said:

Id struggle to look past a 2000 / 2001 shape polo for that kind of money / task. My other half had one and it was a great wee car (weirdly we were talking about it yesterday and how good a car it was).

Added!

[wack]

derin100 said:

Off topic...and I know there are always similar actual threads of this nature going on...but I trust you guys on this thread and don't really know where to start searching for the following myself:

The twins turned 18 yesterday and the young lad has decided he wants a car. So, the criteria are:

1) Safe
2) Cheap to buy...I'm talking sub-£1K; preferably a lot "sub"
3) Cheap to insure
4) Reliable and/or cheap to fix

Basically, safe and cheap.

Could you guys suggest a short-list of cars for me so that I can start making a search.

Thanks in advance

At 18 you really need to look at insurance groups rather than cars, he needs something in the lowest group possible or you'll just get daft we don't want your business quotes.

Also find a broker that specialises in young drivers, insurance is like any othe commodity , if you buy a lot you get it cheaper, I had a broker who did me great performance car insurance but couldn't get within £300 for courier insurance even with the same underwriter, consider an insurance company tracker and no driving after 11pm.

That's the danger zone, mates in the car, late at night, go on go on , insurance companies know that so policies that have big restrictions are cheaper.

The big scrapers don't always have the cheapest prices,

[0a]

derin100 said:

I'm thinking of adding Merc A-Class to the list (manual only!) but don't know what insurance would be like?

I thought you were done with Mercs - if not why add the lest Merc like Merc to the list?

The latest one is okay, in the A45 version.

As to why there are so many Cat Yari I guess it's that they are rather strong cars.

I have never seen so many high mile small engined cars - the Polo of the era just wasn't as tough unfortunately. After the Mk3 Golf VWs we very poorly made - go for a Focus instead.

[MJK 24]

derin100 said:

Off topic...and I know there are always similar actual threads of this nature going on...but I trust you guys on this thread and don't really know where to start searching for the following myself:

The twins turned 18 yesterday and the young lad has decided he wants a car. So, the criteria are:

1) Safe
2) Cheap to buy...I'm talking sub-£1K; preferably a lot "sub"
3) Cheap to insure
4) Reliable and/or cheap to fix

Basically, safe and cheap.

Could you guys suggest a short-list of cars for me so that I can start making a search.

Thanks in advance

Mk4 Golf 1.4 or 1.9 SDI.

75bhp or 65bhp. Safe enough in a bump and very long lasting. Window regulators and central locking motors can give issues. Easily attainable in your budget I would imagine.

[0a]

Adrian E said:

golfer19 said:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C633605



£6000

I know the seller of that car - serial Audi owner with various quattro and 80/90 models under his belt - I bought a set of winter wheels and tyres from him for our S5, which were far better than I expected

I've not seen it but know he's fastidious with his cars but does rack up the miles when in the uk so probably not the first choice for many journeys!

I thought "that's really expensive" - but then looking at the ad I remember a similar mile one going for far more?

They are lovely, and I want one - strangely far more desirable than modern M5s and '63s.

[wack]

PowerslideSWE said:

That's insanely good value for money, I'm comparing this to the cheapest equivalent XJ-R in Sweden, which in todays exchange rate is, brace for it...£17.390. I could live with the steering wheel on the wrong side tbh. The Jag is priced very closely to what I paid for my comparatively ancient e38 750.

I see why that guy is always buying up classics to export to Sweden on fast n loud now

[wack]

PowerslideSWE said:

That's insanely good value for money, I'm comparing this to the cheapest equivalent XJ-R in Sweden, which in todays exchange rate is, brace for it...£17.390. I could live with the steering wheel on the wrong side tbh. The Jag is priced very closely to what I paid for my comparatively ancient e38 750.

I see why that guy is always buying up classics to export to Sweden on fast n loud now

[JF87]

My £2.8k 840 is better than it has any right to be. Nosecone badly needs repainting & the a/c is tepid - quite hopeful it may genuinely just need the proverbial regas. Brakes a little spongey. But the panel gaps are a LOT better than the photos implied, body is very clean & it ran straight (& fast) back to London from Bridgwater. Interior is smart & original, and everything electric works perfectly - even the (drum roll) REAR SUN BLIND!

[0a]

JF87 said:

My £2.8k 840 is better than it has any right to be. Nosecone badly needs repainting & the a/c is tepid - quite hopeful it may genuinely just need the proverbial regas. Brakes a little spongey. But the panel gaps are a LOT better than the photos implied, body is very clean & it ran straight (& fast) back to London from Bridgwater. Interior is smart & original, and everything electric works perfectly - even the (drum roll) REAR SUN BLIND!

WOW incredible! A fantastic looking car.

I'm really jealous JF87 - tell us more please!

The rear sun blind is very useful on my old merc - to shut out people waiving about my driving behind!

[cat220]

JF87 said:

My £2.8k 840 is better than it has any right to be. Nosecone badly needs repainting & the a/c is tepid - quite hopeful it may genuinely just need the proverbial regas. Brakes a little spongey. But the panel gaps are a LOT better than the photos implied, body is very clean & it ran straight (& fast) back to London from Bridgwater. Interior is smart & original, and everything electric works perfectly - even the (drum roll) REAR SUN BLIND!

Congratulations, what a lot of car for the money! Glad it's exceeded your expectations. I've always loved these!

[JF87]

Thanks! Vendor was living the dream, he also had an immaculate CL600 and a 1966 Zodiac on the drive!

The thing needs using, had cobwebs under the fuel flap. Hardly been driven this year. Started a bit lumpy but was running so much better after 130 miles. First task is to get my old LPG kit stuffed in (sorry purists!).

[0a]

Give us interior pictures and driving impressions please. It's a lovely looking thing.

[PowerslideSWE]

wack said:

PowerslideSWE said:

That's insanely good value for money, I'm comparing this to the cheapest equivalent XJ-R in Sweden, which in todays exchange rate is, brace for it...£17.390. I could live with the steering wheel on the wrong side tbh. The Jag is priced very closely to what I paid for my comparatively ancient e38 750.

I see why that guy is always buying up classics to export to Sweden on fast n loud now

Haha, yeah, the guy with the atrocious southern swedish accent nailed to his quite bad english, but his business is booming, old Caddys are expensive here.

[The Don of Croy]

derin100 said:

I'll put Yaris on the list...but why so many Cat Cs ?

We just sold - 3 weeks ago - my son's Yaris T Sport 1.5 vvti. His first car - cheap to insure (with tracker in first year), cheap to run (40+ mpg), just a weld on the exhaust and four tyres in 2 years of ownership. Very nice to drive, enough verve to be interesting and able to keep up with the flow, plus a sunroof and aircon included. Also abs and a cd player. Kids today eh - cushy or what?

Cost him £1850 and sold for £1000. Depreciation + service + parts less than 8.5 pence per mile.

Trouble is, they're like hen's teeth to find in good nick - many cat c or d. He had to travel 50 miles to get one, and his buyer came 90 miles (and paid £10 over the odds as the cash was burning a hole in his pocket).

His next car is likely to be V8 flavoured - he's moving to maple syrup country.

[leglessAlex]

PowerslideSWE said:

RDB said:

0a said:

This looks like a lot of car for the £4,900 classified ad price http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-JAGUAR-XJR-V8-S-C-A...

Ended at just over £4200 with reserve not met.

That's insanely good value for money, I'm comparing this to the cheapest equivalent XJ-R in Sweden, which in todays exchange rate is, brace for it...£17.390. I could live with the steering wheel on the wrong side tbh. The Jag is priced very closely to what I paid for my comparatively ancient e38 750.

As said by someone earlier, it's been relisted with a £4,500 buy it now price. Surely that's a staggering amount of car for the money?! Providing it's halfways kosher of course.

Oh god, I need it in my life. If only I had the required £6,500/£7,000 to buy it, tax it and insure it for the year