Best smoker barges 1-5 large [vol8]

[anonymous-user]

The merc link from above...

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

(The 0-60 seems slow for the engine? I know that's not the purpose of a barge, but still...)

[BigBen]

hornetrider said:

If it's the same gearbox as the E60 then au contraire my friend, it is actually a very good manual box indeed. It's a short throw and feels very tight.

The problem... is the clutch

I still haven't perfected the change on downshifts and I do think from my research that it's to do with the CDV (clutch delay valve) that BMW have fitted. You can have it removed which apparently improves things no end. I however am a bit wary of straying from OEM, but this is one 'mod' that really tempts me. I should really get around to it.

A good friend of mine's wife has a 320 coupe and he was moaning about the gearchange until I suggested he remove the CDV. Apparently it was quite a revelation and really sorted things out.

I also regularly passenger in an Alpina roadster and the gearshift is terrible, again thanks to the CDV which my colleague is too lazy to sort (very easy job by all accounts)

Ben

[V12 AMG]

OpulentBob said:

The merc link from above...

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

(The 0-60 seems slow for the engine? I know that's not the purpose of a barge, but still...)

It's got Distronic, Arimatic, 4 zone climate and Keyless go. Forget about performance, that's great spec. Love the wheels as well. That style is very common in 16" on the lesser models but only the E500 got these in 17" AFAIK.

The M113 5.0 isn't the greatest performance engine but the torque curve is very smooth and they are known as a bullet proof modern V8. I thought the 0-60 was closer to 6.0 dead, but who knows?

Presumably it won't come with that plate though?!

Edited by V12 AMG on Monday 3rd August 11:09

[Strawman]

OpulentBob said:

The merc link from above...

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

(The 0-60 seems slow for the engine? I know that's not the purpose of a barge, but still...)

Parkers has it down as 6.3 secs, it is a heavy beast though at 1863kgs which partly explains why the 301 BHP is somewhat blunted.

[SuperHangOn]

5k seems steep. 11 years old, 154k, gas guzzling engine, err marmitey colour. Can't see many takers.

Were the SBC and rad/autobox problems ironed out by 04?

[r129sl]

Strawman said:

OpulentBob said:

The merc link from above...

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

(The 0-60 seems slow for the engine? I know that's not the purpose of a barge, but still...)

Parkers has it down as 6.3 secs, it is a heavy beast though at 1863kgs which partly explains why the 301 BHP is somewhat blunted.

I have that engine in my 1,800kg SL. It's fast enough for most purposes. 0-60mph is about 6.2seconds, but 0-100mph is only 14seconds.

I think one of our regulars went to have a look at that car (it has been for sale a while) and returned with adverse comments.

[Strawman]

r129sl said:

I have that engine in my 1,800kg SL. It's fast enough for most purposes. 0-60mph is about 6.2seconds, but 0-100mph is only 14seconds.

Agreed won't someone think of the poor Labrador in the boot.

[Krikkit]

hornetrider said:

0a said:

How interesting, and I would guess very rare. I read (on here somewhere) that the manual gearbox in these is pretty poor.

I think I may need to buy a manual car with a large engine (so not a merc then!) There doesn't seem to be much choice in budget aside from S4s, eg

If it's the same gearbox as the E60 then au contraire my friend, it is actually a very good manual box indeed. It's a short throw and feels very tight.

The problem... is the clutch

I still haven't perfected the change on downshifts and I do think from my research that it's to do with the CDV (clutch delay valve) that BMW have fitted. You can have it removed which apparently improves things no end. I however am a bit wary of straying from OEM, but this is one 'mod' that really tempts me. I should really get around to it.

Considering how tiny a mod it is, and how much a clutch change is, I'd be getting it removed sharpish. About 30 mins labour all-told if you garage it.

[0a]

SL70 AMG. HOW MUCH????!!!! http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C643864#

[Parisien]

Crazy, just stick a SL70 AMG on boot lid, who could tell the difference!


P

[0a]

The badges look really naff in any case!

[derin100]

Krikkit said:

hornetrider said:

0a said:

How interesting, and I would guess very rare. I read (on here somewhere) that the manual gearbox in these is pretty poor.

I think I may need to buy a manual car with a large engine (so not a merc then!) There doesn't seem to be much choice in budget aside from S4s, eg

If it's the same gearbox as the E60 then au contraire my friend, it is actually a very good manual box indeed. It's a short throw and feels very tight.

The problem... is the clutch

I still haven't perfected the change on downshifts and I do think from my research that it's to do with the CDV (clutch delay valve) that BMW have fitted. You can have it removed which apparently improves things no end. I however am a bit wary of straying from OEM, but this is one 'mod' that really tempts me. I should really get around to it.

Considering how tiny a mod it is, and how much a clutch change is, I'd be getting it removed sharpish. About 30 mins labour all-told if you garage it.

Just curious, what does the CDV actually do and what's the problem with it? I think I have it on my Z4 3.0Si.

[r129sl]

Ironside had a SL600 with the 7.3litre V12 by AMG. It took him forever to sell it, both times he had it. I seem to recall it went for either 30k or 40k in the end. In Europe—and I note this one's LHD—they are hawked at €50k to €75k. The Hairpin Company have a nice, early SL600 with low miles for which they are somewhat optimistically seeking £35k. But to sell that blue car at anything like that price or even half that price, it needs to presented rather better than it is.

[Adrian E]

Given it's a Japanese import it's fairly safe to say there's bugger all history to back up the mileage. That advert is shockingly poor for the money they're asking. Bound to need recommissioning after many years of sitting around. Wonder how that pimp spec AMG S class the Scandinavian chap imported from Japan has worked out? That would've been similar, I suspect, albeit at more sensible purchase cost.

[Happy Jim]

derin100 said:

Just curious, what does the CDV actually do and what's the problem with it? I think I have it on my Z4 3.0Si.

I have an LS1 engine/box from a Camara in my Cobra Replica, GM had a similar thing, they intentionally introduced a restriction in the clutch fluid pipe to prevent mechanically unsympathetic drivers banging the clutch out and smashing the plate against the flywheel - in essence it just slows the fluid down enough to give a cushioned effect when releasing the clutch quickly (introduces clutch slip when none is wanted!!!).
Took a 6mm drill bit to resolve that one ;-)

Jim

[r129sl]

Is this underpriced by someone who doesn't know these cars? Or is it a shed? I can't tell and it's a long way from me. I resolved this morning that I'd like a w124 coupé (I know, a c124), preferably an early one, 3.0litre, in smoke silver.

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[Krikkit]

Happy Jim said:

derin100 said:

Just curious, what does the CDV actually do and what's the problem with it? I think I have it on my Z4 3.0Si.

I have an LS1 engine/box from a Camara in my Cobra Replica, GM had a similar thing, they intentionally introduced a restriction in the clutch fluid pipe to prevent mechanically unsympathetic drivers banging the clutch out and smashing the plate against the flywheel - in essence it just slows the fluid down enough to give a cushioned effect when releasing the clutch quickly (introduces clutch slip when none is wanted!!!).
Took a 6mm drill bit to resolve that one ;-)

Jim

Exactly this - it's basically a little widget in the clutch line which slows the fluid movement to stop jerky clutch engagement. Fine if you're a bit ham-fisted, but a pain if you're a skilled helmsmith.

Some excellent pictures here on an E46, but looking on RealOEM it's near-identical for an E85 as well.

Edited by Krikkit on Monday 3rd August 15:02

[em177]

r129sl said:

Is this underpriced by someone who doesn't know these cars? Or is it a shed? I can't tell and it's a long way from me. I resolved this morning that I'd like a w124 coupé (I know, a c124), preferably an early one, 3.0litre, in smoke silver.

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Lovely.

[V12 AMG]

r129sl said:

Is this underpriced by someone who doesn't know these cars? Or is it a shed? I can't tell and it's a long way from me. I resolved this morning that I'd like a w124 coupé (I know, a c124), preferably an early one, 3.0litre, in smoke silver.

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

-Pattern wings
-Worn steering wheel
-Number plates
-Antenna
-Mats
-OS headlight wiper blade

Must have had the diamond cut wheels refurbished recently. Can't see any milking.
Seller states 5 speed, car has the 4 speed.

[SimonConnell]

V12 AMG said:

It's got Distronic, Arimatic, 4 zone climate and Keyless go. Forget about performance, that's great spec. Love the wheels as well. That style is very common in 16" on the lesser models but only the E500 got these in 17" AFAIK.

The M113 5.0 isn't the greatest performance engine but the torque curve is very smooth and they are known as a bullet proof modern V8. I thought the 0-60 was closer to 6.0 dead, but who knows?

Presumably it won't come with that plate though?!

Edited by V12 AMG on Monday 3rd August 11:09

That's been for sale for quite some time now - should the cheap tyres be seen as a warning?