Any vehicles without known "issues"?
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279 said:
irish boy said:
y2blade said:
mocca said:
2003 Mercedes sl600
Did you misread the title? 
The title does not read 'vehicle with the most known issues'
An early sl has many issues, as does the pre bi-turbo v12.
Which I suspect is something to highlight in this thread. All cars have some sort of design flaw or fault that rears its head many years and miles away from the design board, but there almost always seems to be some sort of reasonable or preventive maintenance that can be carried out to make it almost a moot point. Forums are great for finding information like this, but on the flip side you have a hub of people complaining about a particular issue and that is where reputations of faults are blown a little bit out of proportion.
Any quick search will back this up…..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
ok so maybe not the least reliable car in the world, but big chance/certinty of high expense.
luckystrike said:
279 said:
The vehicle with the most issues? Really? Name some, because from my recent research (albeit it mostly on CL and S 600S) the vast majority of a 600 is pretty reliable baring ABC faults (that are usually reasonable to rectify if caught before they wreck the pump) and like just about every car made in the last 15 years, the coilpacks last all of five minutes, Just in the Merc's case they are nearly 4 figures each (Although not quite the 2 grand figure each, or whatever top gear quoted) . And being 03+ onwards and the top of the range model they seem to largely have missed Merc's cost cutting seen in the late 90s/early 00s.
By your own admission you've just provided examples of incredibly expensive and common failures to the tune of 'every 5 minutes'. All arguments are open to interpretation of course, but how does that make for a reliable car in any way, shape or form?The 'every 5 minutes' comments was a general dig at the modern motor industry and their inability to make a coilpack that isn't effectively a consumable part. On the 600s V12 they generally last 60,000 miles plus, which isn't actually a million miles away from the life span on packs you'll find on top of numerous engines in cars you or the average man would consider reliable BMWs? Pack issues. Audis, VWs, Skodas and Seats? LOL. French stuff? Coil pack issues (not exactly what many would consider 'reliable' but plenty of people still buy them). The 600s down fall being that the packs come as one per side and have to fire 12 plugs each, but that helps to justify the price a tad.
Then you have the infamous ABC suspension issues, however with a bit of research from people that actually own and run the cars it isn't nearly as ruinous as the impression the wider auto community gives out. In fact, like I said, the majority of problems can be fixed relatively cheaply if dealt with promopty, or better yet, avoided completely if preventive maintenance with the replacement of hoses which aren't that expensive.
So there. Two of the biggest factors of running a bi turbocharged, V12 Mercedes and in the grand scheme of things the repairs aren't that expensive and certainly not 'every 5 minutes' common which is my point. You can find 'known issues' with absolutely any car, its only went you look into rectifying the issues does it actually begin to matter or not.
MK1 pre vvt 1.8 Avensis,the essence of average-ness but top,top class reliability.
I had mine for 9-10 years from new and apart from servicing and tyres nothing,not once did I ever even open the cooling system,the brake reservior or the pas,never had to get under the thing or touch the rear brakes(drum)never touched fuses and it probably only consumed a couple of bulbs in its life.
One thing that always impressed me was that no matter what the weather or its age or mileage is that upon turning the key the engine would always without fail,fire immediately.
it felt and looked the same at 120k as it did new.
And to this day I still have yet to find a car with better A/C.
The first to see did buy
,they were replacing an aging Carina estate(Avensis`s dad
,same mechanicals,)that had just shy of 370K when the eml lit,
Apart from its slightly worn cosmetic appearance and sogginess to the ride the mechanicals were spot on still,it required 2 lambda sensors at a cost of 4 times the cars value or they would have gone on with it apparently,I scrapped it.
I replaced the Avensis with a 2004 2 y/o E60 530d,
Whoa!,talk about chalk and cheese,jesus!!!
I had mine for 9-10 years from new and apart from servicing and tyres nothing,not once did I ever even open the cooling system,the brake reservior or the pas,never had to get under the thing or touch the rear brakes(drum)never touched fuses and it probably only consumed a couple of bulbs in its life.
One thing that always impressed me was that no matter what the weather or its age or mileage is that upon turning the key the engine would always without fail,fire immediately.
it felt and looked the same at 120k as it did new.
And to this day I still have yet to find a car with better A/C.
The first to see did buy
,they were replacing an aging Carina estate(Avensis`s dad,same mechanicals,)that had just shy of 370K when the eml lit,Apart from its slightly worn cosmetic appearance and sogginess to the ride the mechanicals were spot on still,it required 2 lambda sensors at a cost of 4 times the cars value or they would have gone on with it apparently,I scrapped it.
I replaced the Avensis with a 2004 2 y/o E60 530d,
Whoa!,talk about chalk and cheese,jesus!!!BFG TERRANO said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Nissan Terrano. Not the most glamorous thing in the world but an issue free 4x4. Same engine as the London taxi, good for 500K+ miles.
Yep. Had one. Slaughtered it on road with a big caravan. Hammered it off road on Salisbury plain. Couldn't kill it or even fail an mot. Unrefined and bumpy ride character but a good tool all roundJ4CKO said:
luckystrike said:
X-Trails can shart engines.
Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
Absolutely this, basically order from a selection of local takeaways and see what they deliver your food in, then buy something they use as it will be pretty much indestructible.Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
noell35 said:
J4CKO said:
luckystrike said:
X-Trails can shart engines.
Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
Absolutely this, basically order from a selection of local takeaways and see what they deliver your food in, then buy something they use as it will be pretty much indestructible.Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
scubadude said:
XC90- 4wd breaks, interior falls to pieces
rubbish.they fixed the issue with the 4x4 from 2006 onwards - and the interiors dont fall to bits, by two kids and the dog have thoroughly tested it.
I have a 4 year old one and the only fault is the swirl flap linkage pinging off which could have been fixed for about £30 but was under warranty so was actually free!!!
d5 is indestructable too.
I wanted a disco or a range rover but went with volvo due to the great reports on reliability and have been proved right - my chums with discos and Range rovers are not so fortunate.
279 said:
What?
The 'every 5 minutes' comments was a general dig at the modern motor industry and their inability to make a coilpack that isn't effectively a consumable part. On the 600s V12 they generally last 60,000 miles plus, which isn't actually a million miles away from the life span on packs you'll find on top of numerous engines in cars you or the average man would consider reliable BMWs? Pack issues. Audis, VWs, Skodas and Seats? LOL. French stuff? Coil pack issues (not exactly what many would consider 'reliable' but plenty of people still buy them). The 600s down fall being that the packs come as one per side and have to fire 12 plugs each, but that helps to justify the price a tad.
Then you have the infamous ABC suspension issues, however with a bit of research from people that actually own and run the cars it isn't nearly as ruinous as the impression the wider auto community gives out. In fact, like I said, the majority of problems can be fixed relatively cheaply if dealt with promopty, or better yet, avoided completely if preventive maintenance with the replacement of hoses which aren't that expensive.
So there. Two of the biggest factors of running a bi turbocharged, V12 Mercedes and in the grand scheme of things the repairs aren't that expensive and certainly not 'every 5 minutes' common which is my point. You can find 'known issues' with absolutely any car, its only went you look into rectifying the issues does it actually begin to matter or not.
Have you ever run a Japanese car? It would blow your mind. The 'every 5 minutes' comments was a general dig at the modern motor industry and their inability to make a coilpack that isn't effectively a consumable part. On the 600s V12 they generally last 60,000 miles plus, which isn't actually a million miles away from the life span on packs you'll find on top of numerous engines in cars you or the average man would consider reliable BMWs? Pack issues. Audis, VWs, Skodas and Seats? LOL. French stuff? Coil pack issues (not exactly what many would consider 'reliable' but plenty of people still buy them). The 600s down fall being that the packs come as one per side and have to fire 12 plugs each, but that helps to justify the price a tad.
Then you have the infamous ABC suspension issues, however with a bit of research from people that actually own and run the cars it isn't nearly as ruinous as the impression the wider auto community gives out. In fact, like I said, the majority of problems can be fixed relatively cheaply if dealt with promopty, or better yet, avoided completely if preventive maintenance with the replacement of hoses which aren't that expensive.
So there. Two of the biggest factors of running a bi turbocharged, V12 Mercedes and in the grand scheme of things the repairs aren't that expensive and certainly not 'every 5 minutes' common which is my point. You can find 'known issues' with absolutely any car, its only went you look into rectifying the issues does it actually begin to matter or not.
Willy Nilly said:
Have you ever run a Japanese car? It would blow your mind.
Yep. I've owned a few old Supras and Toyota Soarers which is very closely related to the newer Supra that many people think are quite reliable, so much so that someone has even mentioned them in this thread. And yet despite their reputation for being able to hold 1000BHP on standard internals, being around Supras and Soarers for years I can tell you that they have issues with:
Suspension bushings wearing heavily
Worn Ball joints (non replaceable, meaning new brand arms required at £XXX each)
Turbo seals prone to leaking
Coil packs again (Although to be fair to Toyota, they do seem to last 20 years+ rather than 5 or so like modern cars
).ECU capacitors leaking causing general engine funkiness.
Starter motors failing
Higher mileage engines seem to be commonly cropping up with low compression across a couple of cylinders
And that's just the stuff I commonly see on forums or have experienced myself, but no one really thinks of a Supra having lots of issues (in terms of a performance car), hence it being mentioned in this thread. Which again, goes back to my point of it all being relative.
Speaking to my always helpful and friendly MoT tester I've been using for all the family's cars for over twenty years now, where the MoT is concerned, there are no such "without known issues" vehicles.
All have MoT issues and some of the cars mentioned here and elsewhere held in high regard are surprisingly the worst offenders when considered from MoT failure viewpoints.
Being purely MoT issues, the many other things on any cars not related to MoT issues can be and are another additional matter altogether. There are many myths where cars are concerned and every chat I have come MoT time busts a another myth or two.
All have MoT issues and some of the cars mentioned here and elsewhere held in high regard are surprisingly the worst offenders when considered from MoT failure viewpoints.
Being purely MoT issues, the many other things on any cars not related to MoT issues can be and are another additional matter altogether. There are many myths where cars are concerned and every chat I have come MoT time busts a another myth or two.
luckystrike said:
X-Trails can shart engines.
Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
I have a 2001 Primera just hit 46,000 yesterday and on the last MOT as advisories are corroded cross member and corrosion on the rear chassis.Petrol jap stuff. When the world ends there'll be cockroaches, accords and primeras.
Puts me in a bit of dilemma come next year as doing some research cross members are about £400 also needs four tyres due to age not wear and the exhaust is blowing.
Shame as the car drives very well and at 46k still has plenty of life in it but I have to be realistic, is spending what could end up £800 odd of work needed worth it. Spending more than what the car is worth and at the end of the day I'm still left with a 14yr old car.
It's only used for low mileage usage 3K in nearly 18 months,will get used a bit more if we have a bad winter rather than using the TVR.
Apparently it's quite common on the Primera's as water from the air con drops onto the cross members causing them to rot. Got another 6 months to ponder over my dilemma,I've had worse dilemmas in life
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