The " war on the motorist"
Discussion
Just an observation, but it might be that for many that, when asked about the cost of motoring, they tend to focus on the price of the fuel it uses, when there is VED/ Insurance / Servicing costs / parking / Congestion charges / motoring fines for the unwary or in some cases unlucky, not to mention the purchase price of the vehicle and of course its depreciation which will all have a bearing on overall running costs. But even with all these costs, motoring for most `still' represents the best way of getting around almost regardless of cost.
The tree huggers want to get people out of cars, but as usual (like with power generation) do not offer any credible alternatives, nor do they recognise that the way people live work and travel is not the same as it was, say 50 years ago.
When someone does come up with a better way of getting around than cars, I am sure people will switch to it in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. but to date, no one whatsoever has done so.
The tree huggers want to get people out of cars, but as usual (like with power generation) do not offer any credible alternatives, nor do they recognise that the way people live work and travel is not the same as it was, say 50 years ago.
When someone does come up with a better way of getting around than cars, I am sure people will switch to it in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. but to date, no one whatsoever has done so.
Devil2575 said:
irocfan said:
RFL - an envy tax pure and simple, if I get a Merc SL 2006 vintage or newer it'll cost me £475 p/a even if I only drive it 3 times a year. That's a f
king joke!
Rubbish.king joke!It's a stick to try and persuade people to buy cars that emit less CO2.
Whether you agree with that or not you can't claim it's got anything to do with Envy.
If you buy a newish basic small car then the cost of owning and running it will be relatively low. If you buy or lease an expensive new car then it will cost you an arm and a leg before you have even put a tankful of fuel in it, so costs are very much in your control. Even the scameras are there under the pretext of improving safety.
No the real enemies are the councils who try to restrict the use of cars, either by making it unnecessarily difficult to use a car or trying to price you out of it. It's about time we started to put pressure on them to end their war on the majority of people who live n or visit their areas prosperity, and stop taking note of the anti-car tree-huggers, whose support is derisory.
Footnote: an annual season ticket from St Albans to London costs North of £3,000 there seems to be a parallel war going on against rail passengers.
No the real enemies are the councils who try to restrict the use of cars, either by making it unnecessarily difficult to use a car or trying to price you out of it. It's about time we started to put pressure on them to end their war on the majority of people who live n or visit their areas prosperity, and stop taking note of the anti-car tree-huggers, whose support is derisory.
Footnote: an annual season ticket from St Albans to London costs North of £3,000 there seems to be a parallel war going on against rail passengers.
This 'war on the motorist' whingeing is a joke. Britain is clogged with chronic traffic as a result of people becoming almost totally dependent on cars over the last 30 years or more.
Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
BGarside said:
This 'war on the motorist' whingeing is a joke. Britain is clogged with chronic traffic as a result of people becoming almost totally dependent on cars over the last 30 years or more.
Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
A good post.Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
BGarside said:
This 'war on the motorist' whingeing is a joke. Britain is clogged with chronic traffic as a result of people becoming almost totally dependent on cars over the last 30 years or more.
Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
When someone comes up with a means of transport that is better than the private car for the `majority' of the public, the public will switch to it in droves. To date no one has. Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
Pan Pan said:
When someone comes up with a means of transport that is better than the private car for the `majority' of the public, the public will switch to it in droves. To date no one has.
It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
I think the issue is that for most people better means more convenient and easier. The trouble is that for society as a whole better probably means something completely different, such as less polluting and less congestion causing.It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
Devil2575 said:
Pan Pan said:
When someone comes up with a means of transport that is better than the private car for the `majority' of the public, the public will switch to it in droves. To date no one has.
It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
I think the issue is that for most people better means more convenient and easier. The trouble is that for society as a whole better probably means something completely different, such as less polluting and less congestion causing.It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
Pan Pan said:
Devil2575 said:
Pan Pan said:
When someone comes up with a means of transport that is better than the private car for the `majority' of the public, the public will switch to it in droves. To date no one has.
It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
I think the issue is that for most people better means more convenient and easier. The trouble is that for society as a whole better probably means something completely different, such as less polluting and less congestion causing.It is easy to focus only on the negatives of car use, whilst completely ignoring the positives they provide for `most' of the population. and then make them out to be the spawn of the devil, but the overall reality of car use is a long long way away from that.
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
The key for me is getting out of the mindset that you have no alternative to a car and that it is someone elses responsibility to provide you with a more convenient solution.
When the country grinds to a halt, if in fact it hasn't already in certain locations and at certain times, it's going to become a real problem for all those people who currently see it as someone elses problem.
Edited by Devil2575 on Wednesday 17th December 16:47
Devil2575 said:
I think the issue is that for most people better means more convenient and easier. The trouble is that for society as a whole better probably means something completely different, such as less polluting and less congestion causing.
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
my work is 2 miles door to door.Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
i could walk it but i'm admittedly too lazy
it could easily be adopted onto a bus route but there's no bus that goes from where i live to near my work regularly.
if there was a regular bus i would take it
but i drive.
xjay1337 said:
Devil2575 said:
I think the issue is that for most people better means more convenient and easier. The trouble is that for society as a whole better probably means something completely different, such as less polluting and less congestion causing.
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
my work is 2 miles door to door.Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
i could walk it but i'm admittedly too lazy
it could easily be adopted onto a bus route but there's no bus that goes from where i live to near my work regularly.
if there was a regular bus i would take it
but i drive.
To be honest, when you are paying nearly £5k a year for a train ticket, the cost of motoring pales into insignificance. Yes my VED is £500 pa and yes my car is currently averaging 13.2mpg. You know what, that is a small price to pay to have a mode of transport that isn't Last Worst Western.
All I want is for the people who lay roads to actually lay a decent bit of tarmac with all the taxes I pay. The freshly laid Wokingham Road in Reading isn't even smooth ffs!
All I want is for the people who lay roads to actually lay a decent bit of tarmac with all the taxes I pay. The freshly laid Wokingham Road in Reading isn't even smooth ffs!
The folks on this thread ranting about cost of motoring, pollution etc... really need to get themselves over onto the Leaf vs Zoe thread in the EV forum :-)
We have a few PH traitors
(me included) buying the Zoe's as the cost to buy and run them is literally peanuts. We are talking gym membership and a couple of nights out on the lash per month cost here.
Zero pollution too (manufacturing aside)
You just need to live with the lack of range and performance of a milk float
oh and the fact its a Renault, I'm going straight to hell for that one I bet.
We have a few PH traitors
(me included) buying the Zoe's as the cost to buy and run them is literally peanuts. We are talking gym membership and a couple of nights out on the lash per month cost here.Zero pollution too (manufacturing aside)
You just need to live with the lack of range and performance of a milk float
oh and the fact its a Renault, I'm going straight to hell for that one I bet.
Devil2575 said:
......
Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
This. Everyone drives everywhere and complains about 'the traffic' as though it is some uncontrollable externality over which they have no control. Until more individuals realise that they are part of the problem and care enough about it to change their behaviour then the status quo will be maintained.
People who spend all their time in cars do not perceive the problems their driving creates for others, and so do not see a 'problem' with driving everywhere.
Politicians will always legislate in favour of the status quo, to keep the majority (of muppets, it must be said) happy and because they are focused only on the short / electoral term.
Therefore there will be no change in planning priorities and traffic congestion, pollution and health problems will continue to deteriorate.
There is no impetus for change and I wonder if there ever will be?
OP is a troll? As is Dammit? Are you so rich and so carefree that you don't notice the way congestion is created deliberately, then charged for? Or the ratcheting down of speed limits and freedoms? The continuous insurance, every little emission fakery put into law... Or did you just step from1973?
Apologies to other posters who may have said the same.
Apologies to other posters who may have said the same.
Nope, revisited and read the whole lot. Several cringe inducing posts from lentilista green tts. GTFO please. You're boring and weren't welcome here until recently. And I don't know why you were accepted here on a motoring website. Just go away and die somewhere quietly and stop getting in everyone's way.
ts. GTFO please. You're boring and weren't welcome here until recently. And I don't know why you were accepted here on a motoring website. Just go away and die somewhere quietly and stop getting in everyone's way. BGarside said:
This 'war on the motorist' whingeing is a joke. Britain is clogged with chronic traffic as a result of people becoming almost totally dependent on cars over the last 30 years or more.
Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
It would take a lot to move society away from a lifestyle that has grown up around car usage for the last fifty years. Take the Trafford Centre as an example as it's near where I live and I visit regularly. It's an out of town shopping centre designed to cater for people coming from miles around in their cars. As is the way with the modern world, people are being encouraged to go on public transport nowadays and bus and tram links are being improved. The question is, how will I get all my shopping bags and plasma screen television and everything else I've bought there on the tram or on a bus? Rather than cycling, walking or taking public transport for many of the short journeys of less than 2 miles which make up a large proportion of the trips made, they drive. In turn, this makes life more dangerous and unpleasant for those people who choose to, or would like to walk, cycle or use public transport.
The consequences of this car dependency are plain to see - pollution of our towns and cities (breaking EU limits on Nitrogen dioxide, for example), traffic congestion and lost time / costs to business, poor public health with a high proportion of the public on drugs for high blood pressure, heart disease and heart failure, high levels of childhood obesity (because of course it's 'too dangerous' to allow children to walk or cycle around because of the traffic), elderly people effectively trapped in their homes as they cannot cross the roads, roads dangerously narrowed and pavements blocked by parked cars, and constant traffic noise which can be detrimental to the health of residents in busy areas.
As a cyclist and pedestrian myself, cycling has become a nightmare with busy traffic everywhere, a majority of 'A' and 'B' roads too busy to cycle on and many country lanes going the same way as people use them as rat runs to avoid congestion, more aggressive drivers trying to force me off the road and more hazardous street furniture such as chicanes, traffic islands and roundabouts, built with no insight into the associated hazards for cyclists.
From where I'm sitting it feels more like Britain is engaged in a war on cyclists and pedestrians, and indeed any road users whose needs might impinge on the overwhelming and suffocating car dependency that afflicts Britain. The hassles of driving are minor in comparison and mostly self-inflicted by excessive car use and inconsiderate/illegal parking and driving, etc.
It's time this country spent more money on walking, cycling and public transport instead of continuing to plough funds into motorised transport which has outlived its own usefulness, in such a densely populated country, and is increasingly creating more problems than it solves.
Housing estates and employment sites have grown up around new roads. Society relies on personal car transport.
The government has been very short sighted over emissions, encouraging people through taxes into diesel cars as it's sought to meet CO2 emissions targets and, in the process, creating a problem with different sorts of emissions that it's now being penalised by the EU government for not meeting targets to reduce. Much of the smog in cities such as London comes from nasty old buses and taxis which create far more pollution than the private cars driven into the cities and of course plenty of other things create pollution besides road traffic. For example, the government is backing a biomass incinerator being built in Manchester.
A lot of public health problems are to do with excessive consumption of fat, sugar, salt and suchlike in the food many people eat. These things don't just show up in the obvious places but in many unexpected prepared foods as well. Lots of people are on blood pressure medication, not because they have a genuine problem, but because doctors are being given targets to test people and put them on the medication to prevent the possibility of them developing problems in the future. Like many things to do with government, it's all targets, quotas and box ticking. There's also the issue of "White Coat Syndrome" where people's blood pressure shoots up as it's being measured at the doctor's surgery. I know of a few people who've been put on medication for high blood pressure when, measured on machines at home, it's been perfectly all right. We also have more of a health issue with society because, despite your doom mongering, people are living longer than they used to.
Chicanes, traffic islands and other traffic calming measures are anti motorist, not pro motorist, so don't count those among things being done in motorists' favour.
Who are all these elderly people trapped in their homes by traffic? Not my grandma, she gets out and about in taxis and has carers going to her by car twice a day. Not the old folk I see dodging through traffic because they won't press the button on the new fangled pedestrian crossings. Not the many old folk who still use and enjoy their cars.
When it comes to fuel costs, don't forget that most goods and services involve putting vehicles on the road at some points in the process of providing them so fuel costs are added to the price of everything you pay for, including public transport. The more fuel costs, the more everything else costs so fuel prices will even affect people who don't drive. That's why fuel prices are such a key part of the economy.
If you want an example of spending on public transport, look at the £40 million Pennine Reach scheme and all the money and chaos being ploughed into shaving a whole three minutes off the average bus journey between Blackburn and Bolton. Then there's the bus lane along East Lancs Road causing more chaos. There have been heavy protests against them all but it's fallen on deaf ears because, after all, motorists are just an antisocial minority aren't they?
Edited by Blakewater on Wednesday 17th December 20:56
Edited by Blakewater on Wednesday 17th December 20:57
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff