1M v Cayman R v Golf R400 v Megane 275
Discussion
V8RX7 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
3 tarted up cheap cars
1 proper sportscar
^^^This1 proper sportscar
Did anyone else read the title and OP too quickly and miss the word "Golf" from R400 and resultantly wondered wtf an R400 was doing in that list, and further wondering wtf the OP was on about re the potential of it not being good to drive in anything other than a straight line?
No? Just me then....
No? Just me then....
Thanks for all the opinions. I kind of do agree on the principal the Porsche has been designed as an out and out sports car and the others originate from more mundane origins. Head says Cayman, Heart says 1M, Realist says Megane 275 
I could go for the Megane, keep it 2 years and THEN buy a Cayman R
I could go for the Megane, keep it 2 years and THEN buy a Cayman R Just read the latest PH feature on the 1M, never knew you could get one this "cheap": http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Pretty much all of them are going to depreciate faster than a 1M given the limited supply (not to say it's physically better than the others) so there's a pretty safe place to put your money for now, if a safe place is what you want. Hopefully it's due to devalue at some point to get the market moving again, much like the old CSL did (and now it's back to mega bucks). That said, it won't be huge, given that a well used 120k CSL (that needs a few cosmetic things sorting) is placed at £25k based on an advert I've seen.
Good link above, as it shows how high mileage really affects the price so, it's worth considering how much you'll drive a 1M and if it'll depreciate it quicker than you'd have hoped, if you care.
I'd be really interested to see whether the 1M suffers all of the issues encountered by other N54 cars to be honest, and high milers are certainly likely to be the first; until more of these start emerging it's hard to tell. The awful rattling wastegates start to appear at approx 50k+ and will require a new set of turbochargers to totally remedy. Not an easy job but buying one with this problem has serious leverage on getting a good discount (bear in mind it's around. £2k fix with engine removal required ideally).
I say this as someone who's pulled apart few N54 engines and I can also say that fuelling components (injectors, pumps) can give way around this mileage too. Again good leverage but I'd hope people run these with a warranty.
As suggested, TTRS is is worth consideration and a good one can be had at £27k but also, E90 M3.
Good link above, as it shows how high mileage really affects the price so, it's worth considering how much you'll drive a 1M and if it'll depreciate it quicker than you'd have hoped, if you care.
I'd be really interested to see whether the 1M suffers all of the issues encountered by other N54 cars to be honest, and high milers are certainly likely to be the first; until more of these start emerging it's hard to tell. The awful rattling wastegates start to appear at approx 50k+ and will require a new set of turbochargers to totally remedy. Not an easy job but buying one with this problem has serious leverage on getting a good discount (bear in mind it's around. £2k fix with engine removal required ideally).
I say this as someone who's pulled apart few N54 engines and I can also say that fuelling components (injectors, pumps) can give way around this mileage too. Again good leverage but I'd hope people run these with a warranty.
As suggested, TTRS is is worth consideration and a good one can be had at £27k but also, E90 M3.
Edited by 1Addicted on Thursday 18th December 16:03
TheJimi said:
Did anyone else read the title and OP too quickly and miss the word "Golf" from R400 and resultantly wondered wtf an R400 was doing in that list, and further wondering wtf the OP was on about re the potential of it not being good to drive in anything other than a straight line?
No? Just me then....
no, that got me too. No? Just me then....
and on that note, why not a caterham and an older rs megane, either an r26 or a 265?
Edited by ryanthescot on Thursday 18th December 15:58
1Addicted said:
Pretty much all of them are going to depreciate faster than a 1M given the limited supply
According to the PH article there were just over 400 1Ms at peak... A look at how many left suggests there are 228 Cayman R on the road, 354 for the 1M. I'm not commenting on which will hold value better - I have no idea and didn't buy my car with depreciation in mind, just commenting on numbers. There's probably less sold of the 250's/265's combined!
I see myself swaying towards the Megane in the short term as it's the most realistic for me to purchase. Noticed there are still some offers on 0% APR and 4 year service / warranty which is pretty good. Can't be long now before this shape is discontinued, maybe end of next year? Could be an opportunity for a discount
I see myself swaying towards the Megane in the short term as it's the most realistic for me to purchase. Noticed there are still some offers on 0% APR and 4 year service / warranty which is pretty good. Can't be long now before this shape is discontinued, maybe end of next year? Could be an opportunity for a discount
Have you driven these cars, OP? I find it hard to believe that anyone would seriously be choosing between all 4 once having driven them. The Cayman R and the 1M are comparable, but the R400 and the Megane are completely different types of car (and completely different from each other).
You will want RWD, AWD or FWD, and I can't believe that your preference re driven wheels won't rule out at least two of the cars, leaving two to compare. You might well decide that you want the 'sure footed' feel of the Golf, for example, or the lightness and simplicity of the Megane (partly from its very light and simple layout).
For me, I would never even consider a FWD hot hatch, and I have no interest in AWD cars at all, so I would be left with two to compare.
You will want RWD, AWD or FWD, and I can't believe that your preference re driven wheels won't rule out at least two of the cars, leaving two to compare. You might well decide that you want the 'sure footed' feel of the Golf, for example, or the lightness and simplicity of the Megane (partly from its very light and simple layout).
For me, I would never even consider a FWD hot hatch, and I have no interest in AWD cars at all, so I would be left with two to compare.
I would go for the Renault. A new one comes with a 4 year warranty and has the driving thrills.
Despite driving only 4k a year, a warranty will be required for both the Cayman R and the 1M, which won't be cheap. Therefore more cost on top.
All the cars will depreciate. The Renault will lose the most, but you will only have paid say £27k for it. How much will be the overall cost of a Cayman R or 1M. Admittedly the 1M might hold up a bit better.
I don't know about the Golf R400. If the standard R is anything to go by, especially with those lease deals, it is not going to be that great. Depreciation that is.
Despite driving only 4k a year, a warranty will be required for both the Cayman R and the 1M, which won't be cheap. Therefore more cost on top.
All the cars will depreciate. The Renault will lose the most, but you will only have paid say £27k for it. How much will be the overall cost of a Cayman R or 1M. Admittedly the 1M might hold up a bit better.
I don't know about the Golf R400. If the standard R is anything to go by, especially with those lease deals, it is not going to be that great. Depreciation that is.
Nothing announced yet but definitely not just an Autocar scoop. Nice video of the concept car here: http://youtu.be/knkdpgZOKAQ
Thinking of ordering a 275 Trophy in the following spec:
Glacier White
Speedlines
Ohlins
Folding Mirrors
Rear Camera
Sunroof
I initially thought of Liquid Yellow and sacrifice the Ohlins but swapped this round after reading up more on the car. The Yellow is my favourite but the White works better with the stripes and wheels imo.
How much am I likely to get down to from £32,890.00? £30k or would that be a pipe dream?
Thinking of ordering a 275 Trophy in the following spec:
Glacier White
Speedlines
Ohlins
Folding Mirrors
Rear Camera
Sunroof
I initially thought of Liquid Yellow and sacrifice the Ohlins but swapped this round after reading up more on the car. The Yellow is my favourite but the White works better with the stripes and wheels imo.
How much am I likely to get down to from £32,890.00? £30k or would that be a pipe dream?
Mouse1903 said:
Nothing announced yet but definitely not just an Autocar scoop. Nice video of the concept car here: http://youtu.be/knkdpgZOKAQ
Thinking of ordering a 275 Trophy in the following spec:
Glacier White
Speedlines
Ohlins
Folding Mirrors
Rear Camera
Sunroof
I initially thought of Liquid Yellow and sacrifice the Ohlins but swapped this round after reading up more on the car. The Yellow is my favourite but the White works better with the stripes and wheels imo.
How much am I likely to get down to from £32,890.00? £30k or would that be a pipe dream?
Applogies, but over 30 grand for a FWD hatchback?! Thinking of ordering a 275 Trophy in the following spec:
Glacier White
Speedlines
Ohlins
Folding Mirrors
Rear Camera
Sunroof
I initially thought of Liquid Yellow and sacrifice the Ohlins but swapped this round after reading up more on the car. The Yellow is my favourite but the White works better with the stripes and wheels imo.
How much am I likely to get down to from £32,890.00? £30k or would that be a pipe dream?
Bloody hell. It'll be a cracking car mind, not much doubt about that but £30k's worth of cracking?
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