Supermarket fuel inferior quality says Telegraph. Really?
Discussion
Europa1 said:
The Wookie said:
I know the fuel is supposed to be all the same but a few tanks of Tesco fuel in a row will put my Evora into limp mode after a long run. Repeated this 3 or 4 times but never once had it using branded fuel.
Dealer says no issue with the car and that they're just sensitive
That's bizarre. I ran my Evora pretty much exclusively on Sainsburys petrol and had no problems.Dealer says no issue with the car and that they're just sensitive
As a previous post stated, if the car can't tell the difference and you don't notice any difference then put in the cheap stuff
Edited by ratty6464 on Friday 2nd January 00:24
ryandoc said:
All base fuel is identical, before additives. Most third part bog standard fuels get the exact same additive.
Then there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
Some amazingly great bThen there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
ks being spouted yet, as in most threads someone with atleast some knowledge gets ignored. Very little between all fuels. Long term benefits on some.It's predominantly the same with some differences. But fuel is fuel. I use v-power where I can on my M3 but have no grief whatsoever using anything that's available.
Apart from highly tuned cars, anyone notice huge differences between fuels is in placebo land.
No billy big balls. Not involved in fuel development but been an engineer for shell for 4 years recently as well as operated and maintained shells last ownewed refinery road terminal..
I've yet to see the 1000's of cars stranded by the side of the road simply because they filled up at Asda !!
Scuffers said:
Devil2575 said:
How about a series of tests? It's really not hard.
Like i said, exactly what tests?What would the criteria be, how to measure, against what as a base line, with what engine?
Deposited gums
Fuel economy
All measured over the long term.
You don't need a baseline it's a comparison.
Who cares what engine? It would be good to get data on any engine as a starting point.
It is not difficult.
Devil2575 said:
Power output
Deposited gums
Fuel economy
All measured over the long term.
You don't need a baseline it's a comparison.
Who cares what engine? It would be good to get data on any engine as a starting point.
It is not difficult.
like I said, how do you propose to do this?Deposited gums
Fuel economy
All measured over the long term.
You don't need a baseline it's a comparison.
Who cares what engine? It would be good to get data on any engine as a starting point.
It is not difficult.
Power output? under what test conditions?
then consider that engines are different, some are designed for higher octane fuels, some are not, depends on their calibrations as well.
Deposited gums - From what? oil is the source of these, so what oils are you going to use? also, once again. different engines have different breather arrangements, different use of EGR, etc etc.
Fuel Econ - same again, be better off just stating it's calorific value.
ryandoc said:
ryandoc said:
All base fuel is identical, before additives. Most third part bog standard fuels get the exact same additive.
Then there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
Some amazingly great bThen there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
ks being spouted yet, as in most threads someone with atleast some knowledge gets ignored. Very little between all fuels. Long term benefits on some.It's predominantly the same with some differences. But fuel is fuel. I use v-power where I can on my M3 but have no grief whatsoever using anything that's available.
Apart from highly tuned cars, anyone notice huge differences between fuels is in placebo land.
No billy big balls. Not involved in fuel development but been an engineer for shell for 4 years recently as well as operated and maintained shells last ownewed refinery road terminal..
I've yet to see the 1000's of cars stranded by the side of the road simply because they filled up at Asda !!
troublesbrewing said:
ryandoc said:
ryandoc said:
All base fuel is identical, before additives. Most third part bog standard fuels get the exact same additive.
Then there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
Some amazingly great bThen there's the super fuels. Im not 100% certain what BP use but Shell are the only company to use a gas to liquid product. Essentially C1H4 Methane gas converted to a synthetic liquid fuel. Google Shell Pearl GTL. Sure all others are adding ethanol.
Shell haven't owned a refinery in this country for about 3-4 years. Somebody else makes the base fuel and adds shell's additive for them
ks being spouted yet, as in most threads someone with atleast some knowledge gets ignored. Very little between all fuels. Long term benefits on some.It's predominantly the same with some differences. But fuel is fuel. I use v-power where I can on my M3 but have no grief whatsoever using anything that's available.
Apart from highly tuned cars, anyone notice huge differences between fuels is in placebo land.
No billy big balls. Not involved in fuel development but been an engineer for shell for 4 years recently as well as operated and maintained shells last ownewed refinery road terminal..
I've yet to see the 1000's of cars stranded by the side of the road simply because they filled up at Asda !!
Scuffers said:
Devil2575 said:
Power output
Deposited gums
Fuel economy
All measured over the long term.
You don't need a baseline it's a comparison.
Who cares what engine? It would be good to get data on any engine as a starting point.
It is not difficult.
like I said, how do you propose to do this?Deposited gums
Fuel economy
All measured over the long term.
You don't need a baseline it's a comparison.
Who cares what engine? It would be good to get data on any engine as a starting point.
It is not difficult.
Power output? under what test conditions?
then consider that engines are different, some are designed for higher octane fuels, some are not, depends on their calibrations as well.
Deposited gums - From what? oil is the source of these, so what oils are you going to use? also, once again. different engines have different breather arrangements, different use of EGR, etc etc.
Fuel Econ - same again, be better off just stating it's calorific value.
It doesn't matter what we use as long as for each set of tests the only variable is the fuels used. The same tests can then be repeated with one of those variables changed, say, temperature is now 20degC, or keep the temperature the same but use a different engine.
The scientific method isn't rocket science.
y2blade said:
scjgreen said:
y2blade said:
One of my nearby towns FB pages regularly posts reports/warnings of cars filled with fuel from t**** being damaged as a direct result.
Amazes me that this one in particular is allowed to carry on selling fuel.
The site was built on marshland the fuel is contaminated and the store itself stinks of st.
I think its more likely this story stinks of sAmazes me that this one in particular is allowed to carry on selling fuel.
The site was built on marshland the fuel is contaminated and the store itself stinks of s
t. t....Is like rotting animals.
Any Andover PHers will confirm this.
Edit feel free to google "t**** andover smell" and "t***** andover fuel contamination"
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=...
A friend of mine was affected by the diluted petrol and went through hell trying to prove it, a week later after many more complaints they closed the forecourt.
Never before subscribed to the "supermarket fuel is bks" theory.
Currently driving a 123k+ (speedo didn't work for a while so could be far more) mile Renault Kangoo 1.9D - there's a Morrisons near my house so I fill it with diesel there.
It judders like fk on the overrun / when accelerating gently in low gears, especially when it's cold. Assume it's a bksed injector or something - don't particularly care on a £200 van.
Put a tank of Tesco diesel in it the other day because I happened to be there and the juddering has completely gone...
ks" theory.Currently driving a 123k+ (speedo didn't work for a while so could be far more) mile Renault Kangoo 1.9D - there's a Morrisons near my house so I fill it with diesel there.
It judders like f
k on the overrun / when accelerating gently in low gears, especially when it's cold. Assume it's a bksed injector or something - don't particularly care on a £200 van.Put a tank of Tesco diesel in it the other day because I happened to be there and the juddering has completely gone...
Run my B5 S4 (remapped) on momentum 99 and V-power if I have too for last 6 years and it hasn't missed a beat. Chuck fuel injector cleaner in every so often and it hasn't missed a beat. Often hear the same debate about diesel with people who like to run their daily work van on red diesel, on this their is definitely a difference. A colleague of mine used to run his vans on red, nicking from the fuel bowser on whichever building site he was working on at the time. Without fail within 2 years his engine would blow up, then he would just go and buy another £500 van. After speaking to farmers they always insisted that red was only meant for going up to 3 thousand revs hence the engine blow. I will always try and fill up the car at night when it is cooler as 'supposedly' less fumes and more going in the tank, this is probably all BS though:-)
MacD1 said:
Run my B5 S4 (remapped) on momentum 99 and V-power if I have too for last 6 years and it hasn't missed a beat. Chuck fuel injector cleaner in every so often and it hasn't missed a beat. Often hear the same debate about diesel with people who like to run their daily work van on red diesel, on this their is definitely a difference. A colleague of mine used to run his vans on red, nicking from the fuel bowser on whichever building site he was working on at the time. Without fail within 2 years his engine would blow up, then he would just go and buy another £500 van. After speaking to farmers they always insisted that red was only meant for going up to 3 thousand revs hence the engine blow. I will always try and fill up the car at night when it is cooler as 'supposedly' less fumes and more going in the tank, this is probably all BS though:-)
All based on a true story?
MacD1 said:
Often hear the same debate about diesel with people who like to run their daily work van on red diesel, on this their is definitely a difference. A colleague of mine used to run his vans on red, nicking from the fuel bowser on whichever building site he was working on at the time. Without fail within 2 years his engine would blow up, then he would just go and buy another £500 van. After speaking to farmers they always insisted that red was only meant for going up to 3 thousand revs hence the engine blow. I will always try and fill up the car at night when it is cooler as 'supposedly' less fumes and more going in the tank, this is probably all BS though:-)
red diesel is exactly the same as road diesel, just with dye added at distribution.MacD1 said:
After speaking to farmers they always insisted that red was only meant for going up to 3 thousand revs hence the engine blow. I will always try and fill up the car at night when it is cooler as 'supposedly' less fumes and more going in the tank
Hahaha! The stuff people believe to be true.MacD1 said:
this is probably all BS though:-)
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