RE: Porsche 911 (996) Turbo: PH Carpool
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Recently bought a c4s 996 which I am happy with but had the budget been there I would definitely have gone for a turbo.
I had a passenger ride in one with well north of 500bhp (it had been Keke Rosberg's) and round the old Silverstone GP layout it monstered most stuff but did have a tendency to overheat the brakes. Can't remember if they were suitably upgraded to match the power but they certainly needed to be
I had a passenger ride in one with well north of 500bhp (it had been Keke Rosberg's) and round the old Silverstone GP layout it monstered most stuff but did have a tendency to overheat the brakes. Can't remember if they were suitably upgraded to match the power but they certainly needed to be
GM182 said:
Recently bought a c4s 996 which I am happy with but had the budget been there I would definitely have gone for a turbo.
I had a passenger ride in one with well north of 500bhp (it had been Keke Rosberg's) and round the old Silverstone GP layout it monstered most stuff but did have a tendency to overheat the brakes. Can't remember if they were suitably upgraded to match the power but they certainly needed to be
You get a great noise with the C4s mind, something the turbo lacks (without warranty voiding mods).I had a passenger ride in one with well north of 500bhp (it had been Keke Rosberg's) and round the old Silverstone GP layout it monstered most stuff but did have a tendency to overheat the brakes. Can't remember if they were suitably upgraded to match the power but they certainly needed to be
I tracked my 996 x50, but it was going to work out expensive re: brakes & tyres. Also a lot slower than the R500, so I only used it in rubbish weather... when it was MUCH better that any Caterham, let alone one without a roof or windscreen.
Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 24th December 17:55
monthefish said:
J4CKO said:
I have wanted one of these forever, then I drove one on a track, it was quick but the stability control had zero sense of humour, the minute it detected any slip it just shut everything down and I am not sure I would want to switch it off.
Confused by your post. I would hope that anyone that wished their stability control to have 'a sense of humour', would have the balls -and more importantly the skills - to switch it off.
I turn it off on my 350Z sometimes as that has zero tolerance for arsing about as well, I like to have a bit of space when I get to know a car, would be very wary of anything that powerful/fast until used to how it behaves. I like the middle ground of a more recent stability control system that allows for my lack of skill, turned it off on the Mustang I rented and found it quite easy to scare yourself, not out to prove how brave I am, just like a bit of fun that wont cost me my no claims/license.
So Mr. Chris Harris - could you please shine some light on this disucssion that has been going on for a while: you named the 996 as your favourite Turbo. Further back in the day the Evo guys rated a very similar chasis (996 4S) very highly (2nd best to GT3). Is all the stuff (the 996 Turbo being boring, GT3 and all C2s much more involving) just internet myth? I would be grateful to read some lines ...
Because of all this I didn't buy the car I wanted (996 Turbo manual) but a 993 C2 which I find a bit old and slow now (I am comming from a 04 996 C2 with a factory sport chasis - I loved this one but sold it for enginge issues).
thanks.
Because of all this I didn't buy the car I wanted (996 Turbo manual) but a 993 C2 which I find a bit old and slow now (I am comming from a 04 996 C2 with a factory sport chasis - I loved this one but sold it for enginge issues).
thanks.
Schuse said:
So Mr. Chris Harris - could you please shine some light on this disucssion that has been going on for a while: you named the 996 as your favourite Turbo. Further back in the day the Evo guys rated a very similar chasis (996 4S) very highly (2nd best to GT3). Is all the stuff (the 996 Turbo being boring, GT3 and all C2s much more involving) just internet myth? I would be grateful to read some lines ...
Because of all this I didn't buy the car I wanted (996 Turbo manual) but a 993 C2 which I find a bit old and slow now (I am comming from a 04 996 C2 with a factory sport chasis - I loved this one but sold it for enginge issues).
thanks.
As mentioned, it wasn't that it was boring... it was just SO much better than me. Driving a Caterham I feel part of the car, and I can feel my limits, I never got near to my limits in the 996 tt X50 as it was so sure footed (and somewhat disconnected), I would have to have been driving like a complete nutter to find them.Because of all this I didn't buy the car I wanted (996 Turbo manual) but a 993 C2 which I find a bit old and slow now (I am comming from a 04 996 C2 with a factory sport chasis - I loved this one but sold it for enginge issues).
thanks.
Schuse said:
So Mr. Chris Harris - could you please...
[ Chris Harris has left the building]
Schuse said:
shine some light on this disucssion that has been going on for a while: you named the 996 as your favourite Turbo. Further back in the day the Evo guys rated a very similar chasis (996 4S) very highly (2nd best to GT3). Is all the stuff (the 996 Turbo being boring, GT3 and all C2s much more involving) just internet myth?
A lot of it, yes.The turbo may not be as focussed/alert as GT3, but a GT3 isn't as focussed/alert as a GT3RS, and the GT3RS isn't as focussed/alert as a Caterham or an Atom. It's all relative, but the fact is the 996 turbo is a more involving drive than 99% of the other cars on the road, and every time I got back in mine after driving anything else, it never failed to impress what a great handling car it was.
Nescafe, Nescafe Gold Blend and Nescafe Azera are all quite different (in one context), however, if the comparison is against milk, water or gin, or pretty much any other liquid, they are all very similar.
Likewise, all 996's (C2, C4, GT3, turbo etc) are cut from the same cloth, but are all subtly different with their own strengths/weaknesses.
Worth noting that the turbo won Evo's Car of The Year in 2000; The 996 GT3 wasn't in the running (although it did win the previous year).
I think half the problem with opinions on cars is that no one actually drives them, but after reading magazine articles & internet reviews & watching top gear, the opinion of the "tester" becomes verbatim.
Drive them & make your own mind up, but a turbo is a phenomenally good road car. I suspect the GT3 wouldn't see which way the turbo had gone, let alone if the turbo is tuned! I suspect on track the roles would be reversed, but never having driven a GT3, I will reserve judgement until I am lucky enough to get a handle on one
Drive them & make your own mind up, but a turbo is a phenomenally good road car. I suspect the GT3 wouldn't see which way the turbo had gone, let alone if the turbo is tuned! I suspect on track the roles would be reversed, but never having driven a GT3, I will reserve judgement until I am lucky enough to get a handle on one
RWD cossie wil said:
I think half the problem with opinions on cars is that no one actually drives them, but after reading magazine articles & internet reviews & watching top gear, the opinion of the "tester" becomes verbatim.
Spot on.It's also easy for the ignorant (who haven't driven a 996t) to dismiss it on the basis that it is
(i) 4wd and
(ii) turbocharged
when in reality,
(i) it is actually 95% RWD unless it starts to slip, and
(ii) there is zero turbo lag (and actually has less of a pause between throttle and propulsion than there is on my n/a Carrera!)
I thought I recognised the reg, then the article mentioned 9Excellence which I know as a local company. You certainly notice when one of these pops up in the area as they are few and far between, and a nice example it looks too, as I've seen it driving towards me on a few occasions.
I hankered after one of these a couple of years back but the internet scared me off with tales of failures. I shouldn't have been so gullible I suppose but in the end had my fun with a 135i that I made into a project car. I had a battle with a black 996T X50 in that, and despite having 90% M3 chassis components in there to help stabilise it and engine tuning to similar figures as the X50, the 996 still showed me what it could do, despite its old age.
My only hate about this generation of 911 is the interior.
I hankered after one of these a couple of years back but the internet scared me off with tales of failures. I shouldn't have been so gullible I suppose but in the end had my fun with a 135i that I made into a project car. I had a battle with a black 996T X50 in that, and despite having 90% M3 chassis components in there to help stabilise it and engine tuning to similar figures as the X50, the 996 still showed me what it could do, despite its old age.
My only hate about this generation of 911 is the interior.
1Addicted said:
I thought I recognised the reg, then the article mentioned 9Excellence which I know as a local company. You certainly notice when one of these pops up in the area as they are few and far between, and a nice example it looks too, as I've seen it driving towards me on a few occasions.
I hankered after one of these a couple of years back but the internet scared me off with tales of failures. I shouldn't have been so gullible I suppose but in the end had my fun with a 135i that I made into a project car. I had a battle with a black 996T X50 in that, and despite having 90% M3 chassis components in there to help stabilise it and engine tuning to similar figures as the X50, the 996 still showed me what it could do, despite its old age.
My only hate about this generation of 911 is the interior.
They gave me a cup holder in my 996 turbo. I mean WTF?I hankered after one of these a couple of years back but the internet scared me off with tales of failures. I shouldn't have been so gullible I suppose but in the end had my fun with a 135i that I made into a project car. I had a battle with a black 996T X50 in that, and despite having 90% M3 chassis components in there to help stabilise it and engine tuning to similar figures as the X50, the 996 still showed me what it could do, despite its old age.
My only hate about this generation of 911 is the interior.
GetCarter said:
They gave me a cup holder in my 996 turbo. I mean WTF?
I don't believe you. Show me a picture! If I'd known that, I'd never had formed an opinion that I didn't like the interior.
Thank God for you!
Edit: Why I don't like the 996 interior; it dated badly. My opinion.
Edited by 1Addicted on Tuesday 6th January 14:20
monthefish said:
Spot on.
It's also easy for the ignorant (who haven't driven a 996t) to dismiss it on the basis that it is
(i) 4wd and
(ii) turbocharged
when in reality,
(i) it is actually 95% RWD unless it starts to slip, and
(ii) there is zero turbo lag (and actually has less of a pause between throttle and propulsion than there is on my n/a Carrera!)
You don't have to drive one to have an opinion on it, I had a ride in one and the driver wasn't holding back, the main sensation was one of continuous acceleration though when I looked at the speedo we were travelling a LOT faster than it felt. Before I went in one I thought I'd own a 996tt one day, afterwards I knew I'd end up driving it at silly road speeds to have fun in it.It's also easy for the ignorant (who haven't driven a 996t) to dismiss it on the basis that it is
(i) 4wd and
(ii) turbocharged
when in reality,
(i) it is actually 95% RWD unless it starts to slip, and
(ii) there is zero turbo lag (and actually has less of a pause between throttle and propulsion than there is on my n/a Carrera!)
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