RE: Porsche Cayenne S: Spotted
Discussion
Matt UK said:
jeremyc said:
understand your point, but what if your shoe cupboard has only enough space for one pair? Would it not be better to have something that was fairly good at doing both the wellies and running shoe tasks rather than just being a one trick pony?
Yup, it's a fair point and don't get me wrong - the world is full of these things so it is me very much in the 'wrong' here.. We even had a 4x4 for a while! And yes, pretty much every car is a compromise to some extent.Still strikes me as similar to me putting some knobblies on the Caterham in case I fancy doing track days and green laning.
I guess to continue the analogy, if I only had space for one pair of shoes I would choose whether I liked muddy walks or running and enjoy having the right tool for the job.
Far be it from me to make the case for single vehicle ownership, what with my garage of a-car-for-every-occasion.
On a vaguely related note, that Mazda seems cheap. A quick browse on Auto Trader tells me reasonable examples come even cheaper too.
As serial Mazda owners, SWMBO was only asking me the other day whether they offered something that might replace our '04 CRV. Newer CRV or one of those CX-7s . . . Hmmm . . .
As serial Mazda owners, SWMBO was only asking me the other day whether they offered something that might replace our '04 CRV. Newer CRV or one of those CX-7s . . . Hmmm . . .
Never knew a manual was available.
I thought the Cayenne was some Sniffpetrol style joke about a Porsche SUV, I laughed at the 911 front grafted onto a VW Touareg in a hasty photoshop, ha ha, very funny, then I realised they werent joking, then they did the same thing with the Panamera, 911 front and back this time, grafted onto a big saloon.
I thought the Cayenne was some Sniffpetrol style joke about a Porsche SUV, I laughed at the 911 front grafted onto a VW Touareg in a hasty photoshop, ha ha, very funny, then I realised they werent joking, then they did the same thing with the Panamera, 911 front and back this time, grafted onto a big saloon.
I pity the poorly informed internet warriors of the world..
I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
I also like the Telly's and Playstation which mine came with.
N
I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
I also like the Telly's and Playstation which mine came with.
N
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Tuesday 30th December 17:00
Dollyman1850 said:
I pity the poorly informed internet warriors of the world..
I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
N
Woah chill, no Land rover owners slated the Porsche in fact I said I quite liked it.I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
N
Be careful with that raw nerve, seems it gets touched quite easily.
ZOLLAR said:
Dollyman1850 said:
I pity the poorly informed internet warriors of the world..
I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
N
Woah chill, no Land rover owners slated the Porsche in fact I said I quite liked it.I drive a polo diesel to work for the commute and at the weekends and in Bad weather I have this when the misses lets me have a go.…
Yes it is up the side of a Northumbrian hill, Yes it did carry 20 bags of gravel, genny and pump up there on massively wide road tyres without getting stuck..
When someone designs an alternative 150mph plus exec car with 3 tonne towing capacity that is also good off road I will buy one.
Yes if you want to cross the Darian gap then you would need the articulation of a Landy. In the real world however I find that my Ugly old GTS does everything any Landy would ever do with its air ride and 3 locking diffs. Occasionally I even put the winter wheels and tyres on it. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a landrover is rust and break down! oh and the Cam tick generally is a hydraulic chain tensioner, hardly terminal.
Like any and all vehicles they need maintained mine lost someone a hell of a lot of money before I bought it though. Thirsty. Yes but all in all a fantastic tool which eats miles in comfort on cross country trips..
The Tiptronic isn't bad but the latest generation ones must be fantastic. the GTS also had a manual option and In my opinion would make it a fantastic driving machine.
N
Be careful with that raw nerve, seems it gets touched quite easily.
ZOLLAR said:
Clivey said:
ZOLLAR said:
Still, it won't get me out of my Land Rove 
Me neither...and I've just noticed you're another D2 owner. 
Here's mine:
Here's mine next to something a lot bigger!
Quite like the extra lights on yours, did you fit them.yourself?
This was mine…Whilst prepping and painting the rear x-member at 3 years old!!
I speak from experience..They do say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result..This was the one that cured me of the affliction..
I dare say you will love it but don't worry I do understand your illness..There is no cure
N.
You see I don't have a raw nerve but it is important to fully understand the virtues of a car..The Porsche is a much cosier and warmer place to spend time when you use them as intended..
I can honestly say that with the correct wheels and tyres the Cayenne will do anything a defender will do. Its only a matter of Panel damage and most people even the ones running defenders have absolutely no need to use them to that extreme
This was the best Landy I ever had, If there is such a thing. Don't miss the frost on the inside though!!
N.
edo said:
I love the haters that think Cayennes cant cut it off road.. As good as a Defedner? Of course not. Capable? Yes.
and about a gajillion times better on any other form of ground such as ROADS - where they really are astonishingly good - not just "good for a big SUV" (e.g. the X5) good either, good as in "good performance car" good.I know someone who traded a 911 for one and reckoned all he lost was the ability to turn-away people who wanted a lift ;0
The only real downside to a Cayenne is that it's hideous to look at - get over that (and silver/smaller wheels/no tints helps IMO) and you have a great (abeit bloody expensive to run) car which does a lot.
I can't believe how cheap they are - the only real issue is that some have been cheap for a while meaning they've been owned by people who've not maintained em so expect issues - expect cheapo tyres - expect missed services and so on...
Edited by 405dogvan on Tuesday 30th December 20:57
I used to sell Cayenne's this vintage new and lightly previously enjoyed back in '03/'04 & '05 and felt I may be able to add some input into this article.
Namely:
1) The V8S offers virtually the same real-world fuel consumption as the massively underpowered/underwhelming V6 model you refer to in the article, so I'd encourage anyone ready to rape their current account/credit card with the fuel bills to go the whole hog and buy a V8
2) One comment on the article mentions Cayenne's 'limited' off-road ability - they're actually incredibly capable off-roaders and only now are people discovering this as they've become low-value enough to make taking them off the tarmac feasable
3) The manual gearbox is pretty woeful and unpleasant to drive - the shift is vague, the clutch is very heavy and it shares many manual Mercs issues whereby the handbrake is a pedal operated device which makes hill starts and pull-aways pretty tricky, even though Cayennes were fitted with an auto brake-hold as standard. So yes, there's an appeal to a manual V8 however, thanks to how well the optional 6spd auto drives/shifts I'd recommend the auto option really.
4) Your author refers to the Cayenne featured as having 'poverty' spec and mocks the fitted wheels - apart from being a rare manual this is not true. The 19" wheels it is shod with were expensive options over standard bin-lid items, it has PCM (again expensive back in the day) and looks to have Litronic headlamps too. And I can also see the switch on the console for PASM (air suspension) which if working correctly is a terrific system - it is not a poverty spec example!!!
Hope this helps.
Namely:
1) The V8S offers virtually the same real-world fuel consumption as the massively underpowered/underwhelming V6 model you refer to in the article, so I'd encourage anyone ready to rape their current account/credit card with the fuel bills to go the whole hog and buy a V8
2) One comment on the article mentions Cayenne's 'limited' off-road ability - they're actually incredibly capable off-roaders and only now are people discovering this as they've become low-value enough to make taking them off the tarmac feasable
3) The manual gearbox is pretty woeful and unpleasant to drive - the shift is vague, the clutch is very heavy and it shares many manual Mercs issues whereby the handbrake is a pedal operated device which makes hill starts and pull-aways pretty tricky, even though Cayennes were fitted with an auto brake-hold as standard. So yes, there's an appeal to a manual V8 however, thanks to how well the optional 6spd auto drives/shifts I'd recommend the auto option really.
4) Your author refers to the Cayenne featured as having 'poverty' spec and mocks the fitted wheels - apart from being a rare manual this is not true. The 19" wheels it is shod with were expensive options over standard bin-lid items, it has PCM (again expensive back in the day) and looks to have Litronic headlamps too. And I can also see the switch on the console for PASM (air suspension) which if working correctly is a terrific system - it is not a poverty spec example!!!
Hope this helps.
Having had two Cayennes I'm probably a little biased...
one gen1 Turbo, and a gen2 hybrid;
As for on road ability - the gen1 turbo didn't have much trouble (mostly) keeping up with my GT3 on the same roads.
It also (with 19" wheels and Pirelli Scorpions) did an admirable job in the winter snows, when we lived in an isolated location; - including towing many a stuck car up an icy hill - including one Range rover who discovered that nearly bald tyres don't work in snow - but its a RANGE ROVER....!
I was never going to green lane it - far too many Landys buggering up the lanes around me as it is...
But for a multipurpose vehicle, it really was hard to beat - 60 K miles in 2 years ish - yes, I needed a shell tanker following me, ave 19 mpg - but boy was it fun !
Second gen was a different kettle of fish - specced unto the hilt by the previous (saudi) owner and a hybrid
what ?! I hear you cry these things hardly even shift...
well tell that to the 996 turbo driver at Donnington, as I went round him past McLeans... it was a very capable car, and rather cost effective - also towed the race car over Europe with it
But, as ever needs change - so the Cayennes have gone the GT3 has gone (sob..) and all replaced with a do it all Panamera Turbo S.
My only experience with Landys is with several friends who had them - I say had - they've all seen the light and bought Jap 4x4s now - mainly due to bits falling off the Landy or the tin worm removing vital bits of undercarriage !
each to their own
one gen1 Turbo, and a gen2 hybrid;
As for on road ability - the gen1 turbo didn't have much trouble (mostly) keeping up with my GT3 on the same roads.
It also (with 19" wheels and Pirelli Scorpions) did an admirable job in the winter snows, when we lived in an isolated location; - including towing many a stuck car up an icy hill - including one Range rover who discovered that nearly bald tyres don't work in snow - but its a RANGE ROVER....!
I was never going to green lane it - far too many Landys buggering up the lanes around me as it is...
But for a multipurpose vehicle, it really was hard to beat - 60 K miles in 2 years ish - yes, I needed a shell tanker following me, ave 19 mpg - but boy was it fun !
Second gen was a different kettle of fish - specced unto the hilt by the previous (saudi) owner and a hybrid
what ?! I hear you cry these things hardly even shift...
well tell that to the 996 turbo driver at Donnington, as I went round him past McLeans... it was a very capable car, and rather cost effective - also towed the race car over Europe with it
But, as ever needs change - so the Cayennes have gone the GT3 has gone (sob..) and all replaced with a do it all Panamera Turbo S.
My only experience with Landys is with several friends who had them - I say had - they've all seen the light and bought Jap 4x4s now - mainly due to bits falling off the Landy or the tin worm removing vital bits of undercarriage !
each to their own
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