Hoegh Osaka - what was on board?
Discussion
HKP said:
I can't imagine the cargo will be much good looking at the list she's sitting at. It was en-route to Germany (Emden?) from Soton with 1000 cars on board. I wonder what they were? Must have been made in the UK, but I thought it was mainly Ford in and out of there?
Th only stuff Ford ship out are engines from Dagenham and Bridgend, non? Ford (cars) come in via Dagenham, IIRC.Suspect it's Minis, Jaguars, Land Rovers/Range Rovers and Hondas.
Don't assume that these transporters come into Southampton empty and leave full. They come from (for example) Spain with a cargo of Fords and Renaults, some (for the UK market) are unloaded, and some UK-built cars (which can range from Hondas to Minis to McLarens, as well as JCB's and other commercial and agricultural vehicles) are loaded.
Could be anything, really. But none of it will be undamaged, if the ship is listing at 45 degrees. The lashing straps aren't designed for that.
I suspect that the insurance claim will be eye-watering. And I wouldn't like to have been the man at the helm. It's a strange place for the ship to be - in order to run aground on the Bramble Bank the ship would have had to turn right at the end of Southampton Water, into the Solent. Very few ships of any size can navigate the Solent, as it's very shallow, and nearly all traffic turns left and goes around the Nab side of the Isle of Wight, where there is much deeper water. So it's going to take a bit of explaining.
Could be anything, really. But none of it will be undamaged, if the ship is listing at 45 degrees. The lashing straps aren't designed for that.
I suspect that the insurance claim will be eye-watering. And I wouldn't like to have been the man at the helm. It's a strange place for the ship to be - in order to run aground on the Bramble Bank the ship would have had to turn right at the end of Southampton Water, into the Solent. Very few ships of any size can navigate the Solent, as it's very shallow, and nearly all traffic turns left and goes around the Nab side of the Isle of Wight, where there is much deeper water. So it's going to take a bit of explaining.
Lots of heavy stuff if the Daily Echo is to be believed: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11701063.FIRST_PIC...
4600 tonnes altogether, but some of it cars.
4600 tonnes altogether, but some of it cars.
Dermot O'Logical said:
Don't assume that these transporters come into Southampton empty and leave full. They come from (for example) Spain with a cargo of Fords and Renaults, some (for the UK market) are unloaded, and some UK-built cars (which can range from Hondas to Minis to McLarens, as well as JCB's and other commercial and agricultural vehicles) are loaded.
Could be anything, really. But none of it will be undamaged, if the ship is listing at 45 degrees. The lashing straps aren't designed for that.
I suspect that the insurance claim will be eye-watering. And I wouldn't like to have been the man at the helm. It's a strange place for the ship to be - in order to run aground on the Bramble Bank the ship would have had to turn right at the end of Southampton Water, into the Solent. Very few ships of any size can navigate the Solent, as it's very shallow, and nearly all traffic turns left and goes around the Nab side of the Isle of Wight, where there is much deeper water. So it's going to take a bit of explaining.
A long thread running in boats, planes and trains but by the sounds of it there was a ballast issue which made the ship list and according to a couple of Internet sources they suggest the pilot grounded the ship to stop it going over. Could be anything, really. But none of it will be undamaged, if the ship is listing at 45 degrees. The lashing straps aren't designed for that.
I suspect that the insurance claim will be eye-watering. And I wouldn't like to have been the man at the helm. It's a strange place for the ship to be - in order to run aground on the Bramble Bank the ship would have had to turn right at the end of Southampton Water, into the Solent. Very few ships of any size can navigate the Solent, as it's very shallow, and nearly all traffic turns left and goes around the Nab side of the Isle of Wight, where there is much deeper water. So it's going to take a bit of explaining.
ecsrobin said:
A long thread running in boats, planes and trains but by the sounds of it there was a ballast issue which made the ship list and according to a couple of Internet sources they suggest the pilot grounded the ship to stop it going over.
Oh yes. Teleporting to Boats, planes and trains....ecsrobin said:
A long thread running in boats, planes and trains but by the sounds of it there was a ballast issue which made the ship list and according to a couple of Internet sources they suggest the pilot grounded the ship to stop it going over.
That's about the only explanation which makes sense. I just wonder what caused the initial list?Max_Torque said:
Straps can't hold cargo at a static 45deg list? Hmm, seems a bit "Under restrained" to me. (you've only got to Google "747 Bagram cargo crash" (NSFW!!) to see what happens to a aeroplane when that occurs ;-(
That is totally terrifying, the way the plane just hangs in mid air for a split second, and gravity finishes off the stall.HKP said:
I can't imagine the cargo will be much good looking at the list she's sitting at. It was en-route to Germany (Emden?) from Soton with 1000 cars on board. I wonder what they were? Must have been made in the UK, but I thought it was mainly Ford in and out of there?
All sorts of cars come in and out, a few years ago they built this : http://www.itmworld.com/news/55-ports-and-shipping...If you look here the top half of this area is all cars: https://goo.gl/maps/cS8Ft
The Hoegh Osaka would have been docked further down, on maps there is a boat that is very similar - could even be the same one in dock: https://goo.gl/maps/GPl4e
Note all the car storage there too.
Before they shut the ford factory down you'd often see a whole bunch of transits in protective wrapping on trade plates being driven down to the docks for shipping.
Max_Torque said:
Straps can't hold cargo at a static 45deg list? Hmm, seems a bit "Under restrained" to me. (you've only got to Google "747 Bagram cargo crash" (NSFW!!) to see what happens to a aeroplane when that occurs ;-(
How often would a ship like this roll to 45 degrees? My "sailing" skills extend no further than successfully negotiating the duty free on the Channel ferries, but I can't imagine it's that often, if at all (i.e. by the time its at 45 degrees, it's game over anyway!).Crafty_ said:
All sorts of cars come in and out, a few years ago they built this : http://www.itmworld.com/news/55-ports-and-shipping...
If you look here the top half of this area is all cars: https://goo.gl/maps/cS8Ft
The Hoegh Osaka would have been docked further down, on maps there is a boat that is very similar - could even be the same one in dock: https://goo.gl/maps/GPl4e
Note all the car storage there too.
Before they shut the ford factory down you'd often see a whole bunch of transits in protective wrapping on trade plates being driven down to the docks for shipping.
The area to the left of the container port is no longer used for bulk car storage - that Google image is at least three or four years old. The multi storey is at Ocean Village, which is where the JLR/MINI/Rolls-Royce/JCB's are loaded. In between Ocean Village and the container port is Berth 105/6 which is where the Fords, Renaults and Hondas are loaded and unloaded. The vessel in port in the other image does look as though it could be the Osaka.If you look here the top half of this area is all cars: https://goo.gl/maps/cS8Ft
The Hoegh Osaka would have been docked further down, on maps there is a boat that is very similar - could even be the same one in dock: https://goo.gl/maps/GPl4e
Note all the car storage there too.
Before they shut the ford factory down you'd often see a whole bunch of transits in protective wrapping on trade plates being driven down to the docks for shipping.
The BBC is now reporting that the vessel was deliberately grounded after it developed a list. In which case, it would seem that this could have been much, much worse. To my knowledge there should have been at least one Pilot on board at this point, who would have extensive knowledge of the area and the sea bed.
Dermot O'Logical said:
It's a strange place for the ship to be - in order to run aground on the Bramble Bank the ship would have had to turn right at the end of Southampton Water, into the Solent. Very few ships of any size can navigate the Solent, as it's very shallow, and nearly all traffic turns left and goes around the Nab side of the Isle of Wight, where there is much deeper water. So it's going to take a bit of explaining.
No, for a ship of that size to exit Southampton water it has to make a sharp turn to starboard following the channel past Calshot, then make an even sharper turn to port, leaving Bramble Bank on its portside and W Bramble cardinal to port to head out eastwards through Ryde channel.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff