RE: Land Rover launches Defender Celebration Series
Discussion
smiffy555 said:
LR should've just continued to develop the Defender - just like Porsche have done with the 911.....but then I suppose they've never really had oodles of investment money until now......MASSIVE shame, but there you go.
Fingers crossed the new one will be a winner for all markets.
BTW, I'm loving the Heritage.....I'm doing the man maths now.
Yup. They were so starved of cash that it was 11 years after the launch of the Rangie before they could actually start making the more luxurious editions that the market had been demanding since 1972 and that all the after market firms like W&P, Glenfrome, Schuler (Overfinch) had been capitalising on. And even in the early 80s they only just got the money for the 4 door and still couldn't build enough. Then they didn't have the money to replace tooling as it wore out so you had the amusing fact that you can tell how young a Rangie is by the number of spacers in the doors to get them to align, apparently. Fingers crossed the new one will be a winner for all markets.
BTW, I'm loving the Heritage.....I'm doing the man maths now.
So if their flag ship product which was selling more and with much bigger margins was starved of the cash it needed to keep moving forward then it is actually a small miracle that we got the defender at all after the end of Series production. But one does wonder whether we would be in the situation we're in today if they had based the Defender underpinnings more on the Rangie, like they did the Disco and thus remove two of the biggest problems people have always had with Landies that they are awful on the road and too cramped in the cabin?
Seems the heritage is the one people want. My dealer could have sold 17 today after allocations were announced. They have been given 1 90sw and 1 90ht in heritage spec. 3 adventures in various and 0 autobiography's. Luckily because I acted fast the heritage 90sw is mine. Well chuffed!
Bet people will pay over list for one of these
Bet people will pay over list for one of these
forest172 said:
Seems the heritage is the one people want. My dealer could have sold 17 today after allocations were announced. They have been given 1 90sw and 1 90ht in heritage spec. 3 adventures in various and 0 autobiography's. Luckily because I acted fast the heritage 90sw is mine. Well chuffed!
Bet people will pay over list for one of these
Until they do a Renault and announce another 400 but with different coloured wheels. Bet people will pay over list for one of these
Congrats on getting one. Would love to have the space for a run-out Landy.
DonkeyApple said:
The final nail was the Iraq was which saw the futility of the snatch Landies and the end of the MOD as a customer.
This always annoys me. Snatch is/was excellent for its intended role, namely urban patrols in a relatively low-threat environment on metalled roads.....oh, like Belfast.Weighting it down with ECM kit, air con and encrypted comms, and then expecting it to perform in the desert against buried artillery shells was a bit naive of MoD, not helped one bit by Sun readers and Sky News anchor girlies claiming to know so much more about combat ops.
DonkeyApple said:
it really has fallen to a small luxury market of buyers who are buying for the image as opposed to the real utility.
This too hasn't helped. Dom and Jeremy buy a twendy Defender to take shooting yah?, then moan when it doesn't fly like an M5 and lets in more water than Titanic.I find out tomorrow whether I'll get the Heritage 90 Station Wagon that I'm after - the dealer has a whole bunch of people who would like one, but they have only been allocated one in that particular spec. They're applying to Land Rover for another and - as luck would have it - I'm second on the list. Apparently Land Rover are going over each customer with a deposit down to check that they're not known speculators looking to immediately flog or export the cars. 
DonkeyApple said:
it really has fallen to a small luxury market of buyers who are buying for the image as opposed to the real utility. And there are only so many luxury country hotels, tourist attractions or chaps in cities for whom the Landy is the right product for.
For me in 08 a 110 SW XS was the right product. 4 kids, 7 seats, reclaimed VAT dropped the price to £23k, ideal for moving my cattle and pigs, perfect for towing the race car to France then reccying the stages, I do the odd bit of catering and with a wash and trailer it's replaced a van, it doesn't have the bling of the Jap equivalents, glacial depreciation, I like the upright driving position. I still love it and nothings gone wrong since the warranty expired.
The panel gaps and leaks annoy me but other than that it's perfect for my needs, so much so that I didn't price anything else up.
A recent visit to the Yorkshire Dales suggested a number of other farmers might disagree too.
FWDRacer said:
Skyman said:
What a shame the Heritage has no aircon nor radio. For that reason I am out.
Where do you get this dud info from. I'm genuinely curious.What makes you think the info is dud?
Crossflow Kid said:
This always annoys me. Snatch is/was excellent for its intended role, namely urban patrols in a relatively low-threat environment on metalled roads.....oh, like Belfast.
Weighting it down with ECM kit, air con and encrypted comms, and then expecting it to perform in the desert against buried artillery shells was a bit naive of MoD, not helped one bit by Sun readers and Sky News anchor girlies claiming to know so much more about combat ops.
Less naivete, more a cynical betrayal of tommy, as he had to trog about in vehicles which were entirely incompatible with the threat.Weighting it down with ECM kit, air con and encrypted comms, and then expecting it to perform in the desert against buried artillery shells was a bit naive of MoD, not helped one bit by Sun readers and Sky News anchor girlies claiming to know so much more about combat ops.
Gruber said:
FWDRacer said:
Skyman said:
What a shame the Heritage has no aircon nor radio. For that reason I am out.
Where do you get this dud info from. I'm genuinely curious.What makes you think the info is dud?
Skyman said:
Gruber said:
FWDRacer said:
Skyman said:
What a shame the Heritage has no aircon nor radio. For that reason I am out.
Where do you get this dud info from. I'm genuinely curious.What makes you think the info is dud?
Glass half full, chap
Skyman said:
Gruber said:
FWDRacer said:
Skyman said:
What a shame the Heritage has no aircon nor radio. For that reason I am out.
Where do you get this dud info from. I'm genuinely curious.What makes you think the info is dud?
Pop the interior press pack photos up so we can all have a look...
CAPP0 said:
I think by now you DON'T wish it was dud, because if so then you would want one after all and be disappointed as they're all sold (unless the extra 400 do materialise!)
Glass half full, chap
Sorry, but you reach the wrong conclusion, perhaps dare I say because you do not know me! A friend in the trade could get me one without difficulty - as he did my last 110 X Tech - but the lack of AC spells dead duck and therefore no go for me. Glass well and truly empty. Sad, as the price is a bargain for a Heritage, but practicality prevails for me (and without any doubt the next owner, should I sell it on).Glass half full, chap
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