Looking to buy a plate - SA51 PNK
Discussion
Yiliterate said:
Surprised so many people think £200 is such a derisory opening offer; that's what I paid for my M5*** plate and I didn't feel like I'd stolen it off the seller. Fair enough if it was something like 'ABC 1' or 'S1MON', then the bid would obviously have been a time-waste, but I can't see it would be beyond the realms of possibility for a plate like SA51 PNK to have gone for somewhere around a 'standard DVLA' price. On this occasion it didn't, so congrats to the seller for getting a price he was happy with, but if that plate had sold for somewhere in the price range the OP stated, I doubt it would have sent shockwaves through the cherished plates market...
I bought a plate for Mrs V. for £179 (+£80 fee + new set of plates + call the insurers etc). If anyone wanted it I wouldn't even entertain an offer below cost +£100. I really couldn't be arsed to sort it out. £500 and I might bite.vikingaero said:
Yiliterate said:
Surprised so many people think £200 is such a derisory opening offer; that's what I paid for my M5*** plate and I didn't feel like I'd stolen it off the seller. Fair enough if it was something like 'ABC 1' or 'S1MON', then the bid would obviously have been a time-waste, but I can't see it would be beyond the realms of possibility for a plate like SA51 PNK to have gone for somewhere around a 'standard DVLA' price. On this occasion it didn't, so congrats to the seller for getting a price he was happy with, but if that plate had sold for somewhere in the price range the OP stated, I doubt it would have sent shockwaves through the cherished plates market...
I bought a plate for Mrs V. for £179 (+£80 fee + new set of plates + call the insurers etc). If anyone wanted it I wouldn't even entertain an offer below cost +£100. I really couldn't be arsed to sort it out. £500 and I might bite.Jimboka said:
sue20 said:
£200 is very generous for that plate.
But not for the time/effort/aggro Unless you really need that £200, or are keen to help a random stranger you met on the Internet ...
new666uk said:
Well I had already asked the seller what he wanted but in lieu of any feedback I have to start somewhere. No-one starts a buy negotiation high, that's just not how one goes about a negotiation. The offer was made having loosely benchmarked similarly random plates and not some blind finger in the air.
The trouble is it wasn't a random plate, it was a plate you cared enough about to ask on the internet if anyone knew how you could buy it. Also, despite many people saying it was meaningless, it had a combination of characters that resemble two words, sassy pink. Anything else for sale with the one character different you mentioned the DVLA selling would only have one of those words at best so it is pretty clear that sassy pink would have more value than sassy pnl or sbssy pink. On that basis at least starting somewhere above the price for a completely meaningless plate would make sense, but in a negotiation surely it is logical to ask what the desired price would be, even if to be told to make bids to find out.andyps said:
The trouble is it wasn't a random plate, it was a plate you cared enough about to ask on the internet if anyone knew how you could buy it. Also, despite many people saying it was meaningless, it had a combination of characters that resemble two words, sassy pink. Anything else for sale with the one character different you mentioned the DVLA selling would only have one of those words at best so it is pretty clear that sassy pink would have more value than sassy pnl or sbssy pink. On that basis at least starting somewhere above the price for a completely meaningless plate would make sense, but in a negotiation surely it is logical to ask what the desired price would be, even if to be told to make bids to find out.
Think you might be confusing price and value here. If SA51 PNL or SB51 PNK are available from the DVLA for £250, it tells you one thing - that to date (and therefore quite possibly for the last 14 or so years) nobody has been willing to pay £250 for those plates!Even if they did sell at that price, it doesn't mean there would be anyone else willing to pay that amount - so why should a bid clearly in excess of the minimum DVLA asking price be the baseline for the OP's negotiations?
EddieFelson said:
Most standard plates are non-transferable as noted on the V5C. So if it's not been issued as a private plate in the first place you'll not be able to transfer it off anyway.
Where do you get that info from? Most plates are transferable, normally ones that aren't are ones that have been assigned after an original plate has been taken off etc.Shaoxter said:
new666uk said:
Dog Star said:
Has anyone actually called "custard" on any of this? (I have neither the time nor the inclination to read the entire thread).
I think the whole thing is a particularly crap windup on behalf of the "seller".
In fairness the seller sent me a pic before we started (briefly) talking £. I think the whole thing is a particularly crap windup on behalf of the "seller".
I'm even more surprised that this is for real, to be honest.
Yiliterate said:
Think you might be confusing price and value here. If SA51 PNL or SB51 PNK are available from the DVLA for £250, it tells you one thing - that to date (and therefore quite possibly for the last 14 or so years) nobody has been willing to pay £250 for those plates!
Even if they did sell at that price, it doesn't mean there would be anyone else willing to pay that amount - so why should a bid clearly in excess of the minimum DVLA asking price be the baseline for the OP's negotiations?
You are correct in that to date no one has bought the similar plates, but I wasn't confusing price and value. The basis being that the DVLA site does give an indication of the lowest price for a plate which includes some element of "personalisation", it may be a while before someone buys it but the DVLA have plenty of options. Quite possibly there will only be one person interested in a particular plate and prepared to pay for it, but when that happens price and value meet at £250. The OP and seller in this case had different ideas of price and value for SA51PNK, but the seller and someone else agreed on them apparently. Value is a perception we all have, and is based on many factors.Even if they did sell at that price, it doesn't mean there would be anyone else willing to pay that amount - so why should a bid clearly in excess of the minimum DVLA asking price be the baseline for the OP's negotiations?
andyps said:
Yiliterate said:
Think you might be confusing price and value here. If SA51 PNL or SB51 PNK are available from the DVLA for £250, it tells you one thing - that to date (and therefore quite possibly for the last 14 or so years) nobody has been willing to pay £250 for those plates!
Even if they did sell at that price, it doesn't mean there would be anyone else willing to pay that amount - so why should a bid clearly in excess of the minimum DVLA asking price be the baseline for the OP's negotiations?
You are correct in that to date no one has bought the similar plates, but I wasn't confusing price and value. The basis being that the DVLA site does give an indication of the lowest price for a plate which includes some element of "personalisation", it may be a while before someone buys it but the DVLA have plenty of options. Quite possibly there will only be one person interested in a particular plate and prepared to pay for it, but when that happens price and value meet at £250. The OP and seller in this case had different ideas of price and value for SA51PNK, but the seller and someone else agreed on them apparently. Value is a perception we all have, and is based on many factors.Even if they did sell at that price, it doesn't mean there would be anyone else willing to pay that amount - so why should a bid clearly in excess of the minimum DVLA asking price be the baseline for the OP's negotiations?
KTF said:
Why dont you contact one of these places that knock up the fake 'show' plates and give her them instead?
Example: http://www.myshowplates.com/
Don't use that company .... rubbish IMO...Example: http://www.myshowplates.com/
New plates cost £20
Insurance update, done on line for nowt in 5 mins
£200 is cheeky but you do have to start somewhere....if someone offered me a low bid like that, I would have countered with a cheeky high amount....
Just saying 'no'...? why suggest it's for sale if you're going to say 'no' without negotiation?
Edited by Quickmoose on Thursday 23 April 15:30
AyBee said:
Muzzer79 said:
What would you have started at then?
Valuing a plate that has a material value to the sum total of about 2 people is very hard.
A chap has come online to a forum saying that he has it, with little other info other than to make an offer.
The OP stated himself in his original post:Valuing a plate that has a material value to the sum total of about 2 people is very hard.
A chap has come online to a forum saying that he has it, with little other info other than to make an offer.
new666uk said:
Plates one letter removed are in the £250 mark so it's more than likely nothing special to the Freelander owner.
Given this information, I'd have provided the seller with examples of this (he'd probably have had a look himself anyway), added £125 for the seller's costs and offered £375, maybe £350 if I was feeling cheeky. I have no idea whether the seller would have accepted this, but at least he'd have understood why I offered that and hopefully have countered with something that he would have been happy with.If I was expecting to pay £375 I would start with a lowball offer of........around £200-£250 and negotiate from there up to what I would actually expect to pay, if required.
Your logic in terms of value is faultless but the seller could have been an idiot who'd have taken less and thought he was still getting a deal.
As it is, he's more savvy, but I don't think £200 is a silly first offer on the offchance.
Anyway, academic now.
new666uk said:
Well that stumped me - I couldn't even start to think of a reason that I'd initiate a conversation with myself like this. I might talk to myself from time to time when I think no-ones looking but this would be a whole order of magnitude of weirdness.
It's like a conspiracy theory, all the evidence is circumstantial and no-one can post anything to prove Nick (seller) and me (buyer) are completely unrelated.
I've cracked it!It's like a conspiracy theory, all the evidence is circumstantial and no-one can post anything to prove Nick (seller) and me (buyer) are completely unrelated.
You own that plate and can't stand it. Wife won't allow you to pay money to get a new one so you start the thread posing as a buyer and seller on the off chance it generates interest and you can sell it to fund either your own plate or an evil scheme to take over the world. I'm going for taking over the world scheme.
For your scheme to work you need people constantly keeping this thread alive so you have many, many more aliases (including this one) and are actually the only person to have responded to this thread ever.
Can't believe no one figured this out days ago...
Jader1973 said:
new666uk said:
It's like a conspiracy theory, all the evidence is circumstantial and no-one can post anything to prove Nick (seller) and me (buyer) are completely unrelated.
Can you post anything to prove that you aren't?
Steve_F said:
new666uk said:
Well that stumped me - I couldn't even start to think of a reason that I'd initiate a conversation with myself like this. I might talk to myself from time to time when I think no-ones looking but this would be a whole order of magnitude of weirdness.
It's like a conspiracy theory, all the evidence is circumstantial and no-one can post anything to prove Nick (seller) and me (buyer) are completely unrelated.
I've cracked it!It's like a conspiracy theory, all the evidence is circumstantial and no-one can post anything to prove Nick (seller) and me (buyer) are completely unrelated.
You own that plate and can't stand it. Wife won't allow you to pay money to get a new one so you start the thread posing as a buyer and seller on the off chance it generates interest and you can sell it to fund either your own plate or an evil scheme to take over the world. I'm going for taking over the world scheme.
For your scheme to work you need people constantly keeping this thread alive so you have many, many more aliases (including this one) and are actually the only person to have responded to this thread ever.
Can't believe no one figured this out days ago...
Joking aside, we're not one and the same.
new666uk said:
Congratulations Mr Poirot, your logical assessment of the situation is flawless. However, did you consider the question are you really you or just a figment of my imagination...?
Joking aside, we're not one and the same.
Now ita just obvious that you are obviously Steve_F too, as well as the 'vendor', frumpytrickles, chris harris, and me. Joking aside, we're not one and the same.
Naughty.
EddieFelson said:
Most standard plates are non-transferable as noted on the V5C.
Totally untrue - what happens is when you transfer off a regular plate the replacement the car is issued with becomes non-transferable. So in this case, SA51 PNK is transferable but when the DVLA complete the process and issue say SA51 ZBT to go back onto the Freelander, this will then have a non transferable marker on it.This is done to ensure that owners cannot use an older car as a 'plate factory' by continually transferring off the age-related plate the DVLA have issued following a previous transfer.
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