RE: Honda NSX - Detroit 2015
Discussion
alexpa said:
Unless Honda are bringing something to the table that weighs less than 1300kg wet at the kerb.
IMO 500bhp/kerb tonne is where they could and should be.
Fingers crossed Honda.
A weight of 1300kg wet is complete fantasy. This has all the elements of being a bloater; V6 turbo engine with intercoolers and other turbo ancillaries - check, DCT gearbox - check, electric motors (3!) - check, mostly steel and aluminium construction - check.IMO 500bhp/kerb tonne is where they could and should be.
Fingers crossed Honda.
I'm guessing at a wet kerb weight of close to 1600kg, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 1650kg or higher.
Thunder18 said:
I really need to get a hang of posting pics, but surely a racing version would look like this......
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02645/...
I was going to look for a picture but you saved me the trouble, here you are:http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02645/...
Olivera said:
A weight of 1300kg wet is complete fantasy. This has all the elements of being a bloater; V6 turbo engine with intercoolers and other turbo ancillaries - check, DCT gearbox - check, electric motors (3!) - check, mostly steel and aluminium construction - check.
I'm guessing at a wet kerb weight of close to 1600kg, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 1650kg or higher.
It's said to be 3600lbs, which would put it the wrong side of 1600kgs. And WIDE - 130mm wider than the previous NSX, even wider $than the current GT-R.I'm guessing at a wet kerb weight of close to 1600kg, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 1650kg or higher.
andyps said:
Thunder18 said:
I really need to get a hang of posting pics, but surely a racing version would look like this......
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02645/...
I was going to look for a picture but you saved me the trouble, here you are:http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02645/...
I'm apparently one of the exceptions that loves the way it looks.
Reminds me of an R8 or Huracan, but better looking than the R8.
A lot still unknown though such as price, performance,...
I really hope it brings 918 tech to a much lower price point.
If it does, this has a good chance of obliterating the competition in many aspects.
As for the possible future classic statement, I wouldn't know tbh. That's just speculation.
Reminds me of an R8 or Huracan, but better looking than the R8.
A lot still unknown though such as price, performance,...
I really hope it brings 918 tech to a much lower price point.
If it does, this has a good chance of obliterating the competition in many aspects.
As for the possible future classic statement, I wouldn't know tbh. That's just speculation.
dxg said:
Sadly, I think it's an overly-fussy design that's going to date badly - particularly the front. It's not going to be a classic like the original.
Agreed. Sadly it looks like there is no DNA from the original. Would of been nice if there were some styling cues, etc. This could be named the Honda ABC for all it matters.ewand said:
Olivera said:
A weight of 1300kg wet is complete fantasy. This has all the elements of being a bloater; V6 turbo engine with intercoolers and other turbo ancillaries - check, DCT gearbox - check, electric motors (3!) - check, mostly steel and aluminium construction - check.
I'm guessing at a wet kerb weight of close to 1600kg, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 1650kg or higher.
It's said to be 3600lbs, which would put it the wrong side of 1600kgs. And WIDE - 130mm wider than the previous NSX, even wider $than the current GT-R.I'm guessing at a wet kerb weight of close to 1600kg, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 1650kg or higher.
If it's another GTR (a six year old car) with GTR performance they'll have missed a trick.
Comw on Honda, details please.
As a previous 80's CRX VTEX, S2000, DC2 owner I'm hopeful. Not a fan of (excess) weight.
Kozy said:
"Honda haven't produced anything interesting in the last 15 years"
Oh? These are supposed to be pretty good...
Oh? These are supposed to be pretty good...
Might be worth waiting until journalists get behind the wheel to give an informed opinion before we slate it / laud it too much.
There is, I would add, ZERO point in comparing it to the original - be like comparing the F30 M3 with the E30 M3 (similar age difference). This car is a product of it's time - too much tech for the purists, but hopefully engineered (like the P1 / 918) to be additive to the driving experience not substitutional or subtractive. Weight is definitely a concern, but be interested to compare this vs the direct competition (R8, 991 Turbo, Merc GT for starters).
(Personally, and I hope to be proven wrong, it does have a whiff of fashion-over-substance about it - 20" wheels with 30-profile tyres?!? Hope the dampers are expensive and capable...)
I'll look forward to seeing these when they hit the street but the first thing I'll want to do is take a good look at that bonnet vent / *** visually truncated a-pillar *** / door mirror interface as I want to hate it but not sure that I do.
In a light colour, the a-pillar looks broken/weak - but perhaps the impact is lessened by the broken lines of the rear wings as the c-pillar falls into the engine intake?
The source image of the whole car at 4,608 pixels is here if you wish...
http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC_010...
In a light colour, the a-pillar looks broken/weak - but perhaps the impact is lessened by the broken lines of the rear wings as the c-pillar falls into the engine intake?
The source image of the whole car at 4,608 pixels is here if you wish...
http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC_010...
iMiM said:
Playstation genaration. Looks s
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You might be right about the Playstation generation thing, because I'm from it and love the look of this new NSX! But then I always have been a sucker for supercars built by otherwise mass-market box shifters, especially Jap ones. If I won the lottery I'd be hunting down one of those Toyota TS020 things. te sorry
Mogul said:
I'll look forward to seeing these when they hit the street but the first thing I'll want to do is take a good look at that bonnet vent / *** visually truncated a-pillar *** / door mirror interface as I want to hate it but not sure that I do.
In a light colour, the a-pillar looks broken/weak - but perhaps the impact is lessened by the broken lines of the rear wings as the c-pillar falls into the engine intake?
The source image of the whole car at 4,608 pixels is here if you wish...
http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC_010...
As has been described in the article, the a pillar is something they wanted to replicate from the original car.In a light colour, the a-pillar looks broken/weak - but perhaps the impact is lessened by the broken lines of the rear wings as the c-pillar falls into the engine intake?
The source image of the whole car at 4,608 pixels is here if you wish...
http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC_010...
One of the most unique features of the first NSX was the incredible view from the 'cockpit'. It's like sitting down with a huge 3D TV in front of you. As such, they used something clever to make the a pillars strong whilst making them as slim as possible.
Personally, i think that is a great nod to the original. But in fairness, very subtle unless you've owned an original.
hondansx said:
As has been described in the article, the a pillar is something they wanted to replicate from the original car.
....they used something clever to make the a pillars strong whilst making them as slim as possible.
Are you referring to the original 1990 car or to the preview shown in Detroit in 2012 (the silver car below)? ....they used something clever to make the a pillars strong whilst making them as slim as possible.
I take the point about the hidden strength (beyond question, they know how build a safe car) but I was really talking about the visual strength suggested by the a-pillar design.
BTW, I thought that the 2012 preview was spectacular and I thought that the 'unconventional' mirror/a-pillar/bonnet opening was beautifully done.
The production version is close but less elegant overall (door mirror size regs. won't have helped here) - no big surprise. I am reminded of the change from the original Boxster prototype to the 986 reality...
St John Smythe said:
dxg said:
Sadly, I think it's an overly-fussy design that's going to date badly - particularly the front. It's not going to be a classic like the original.
Agreed. Sadly it looks like there is no DNA from the original. Would of been nice if there were some styling cues, etc. This could be named the Honda ABC for all it matters.Every single styling cue that makes it a distinguishable NSX is straight from the early 90's (as you'd expect obviously). Couldn't do the sweeping wing, couldn't do pop up headlamps and the sculpted vent on the side is too simple for nowadays too. It's a very simple looking car and if they'd made it look like that it would've dated more than this new one will.
They could've done similar rear lights as a tribute but that's about it.
F1GTRUeno said:
What is there to carry over from the original though?
Every single styling cue that makes it a distinguishable NSX is straight from the early 90's (as you'd expect obviously). Couldn't do the sweeping wing, couldn't do pop up headlamps and the sculpted vent on the side is too simple for nowadays too. It's a very simple looking car and if they'd made it look like that it would've dated more than this new one will.
They could've done similar rear lights as a tribute but that's about it.
The original is not exactly a looker anyway, it's a well portioned but bland looking....that's why it appeals I think..any attempts to replicate the original would have looked kack.Every single styling cue that makes it a distinguishable NSX is straight from the early 90's (as you'd expect obviously). Couldn't do the sweeping wing, couldn't do pop up headlamps and the sculpted vent on the side is too simple for nowadays too. It's a very simple looking car and if they'd made it look like that it would've dated more than this new one will.
They could've done similar rear lights as a tribute but that's about it.
Well it was basically a toned down 348, really. It would have been better proportioned with a shorter rear overhang but the Yanks wanted a big boot for golf clubs! The last prototype had pert rear, which looked far nicer.
In my eyes, the facelift car was better resolved and the NSX-R the pinnacle. It was elegant, purposeful and unfussy. You are looking at £200k for one though.
However, you can turn a '90s NSX into a facelift fairly easily. Here's a nice one in gunmetal grey.
In my eyes, the facelift car was better resolved and the NSX-R the pinnacle. It was elegant, purposeful and unfussy. You are looking at £200k for one though.
However, you can turn a '90s NSX into a facelift fairly easily. Here's a nice one in gunmetal grey.
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