RE: Honda NSX - Detroit 2015
Discussion
Benbay001 said:
Lucky you.Did they say much? Any interested new details? Like whether they had been inundated with phonecalls?
I spoke to a northern dealer near my home town - thought I'd rather be first on the list there than 10th (or wherever) on one in London!
I was the only person who had rang today...I think the sales lad who took my details couldn't believe his luck!
Blayney said:
Looks like a Japanese-ified version of the Bahar era Esprit concept to me.
Also with all that tech (turbo, hybrid, 4wd, 9 speed auto, brake steer etc) it doesn't feel like an NSX to me, should be called something else.
As has been said I'll take the new Ford GT instead of this.
A bit harsh, i think. Whilst this is not 'pure' like the original NSX, all cars were fairly simple in the early '90s. The groundbreaking things in the first car are pretty ordinary now; you've got to admit this looks like an AMAZING amount of tech for not a lot of money. Suspect it will be more than £100k though; we won't pay like-for-like on the touted $150k figure.Also with all that tech (turbo, hybrid, 4wd, 9 speed auto, brake steer etc) it doesn't feel like an NSX to me, should be called something else.
As has been said I'll take the new Ford GT instead of this.
I wavered on putting a deposit down last year; starting to regret it! As said, looks like it an incredible amount of technology and potential pace at the price point. Slightly confused that you can order in the Summer when the order book was 'closed.' Perhaps that was for the first year's allocation...
pistondan77 said:
dxg said:
Sadly, I think it's an overly-fussy design that's going to date badly - particularly the front. It's not going to be a classic like the original.
Totally agree. A technological showcase for sure, but what a styling hash-up. Externals like the internals - confusing and overly complicated.hondansx said:
A bit harsh, i think. Whilst this is not 'pure' like the original NSX, all cars were fairly simple in the early '90s. The groundbreaking things in the first car are pretty ordinary now; you've got to admit this looks like an AMAZING amount of tech for not a lot of money. Suspect it will be more than £100k though; we won't pay like-for-like on the touted $150k figure.
I wavered on putting a deposit down last year; starting to regret it! As said, looks like it an incredible amount of technology and potential pace at the price point. Slightly confused that you can order in the Summer when the order book was 'closed.' Perhaps that was for the first year's allocation...
I'm not sure it is harsh, but to each their own. I'm interested to hear you're opinion on why you wavered and also why you regret it? From checking your profile I can see you have a lot of driving experience and a fleet/car history that suggests you like driver focused cars (motorsport elise, NSX, 911 etc). These are all things I aspire too and yet this car does nothing for me. Just want to understand your viewpoint. Is it the tech for the price, or is it just the NSX badge?I wavered on putting a deposit down last year; starting to regret it! As said, looks like it an incredible amount of technology and potential pace at the price point. Slightly confused that you can order in the Summer when the order book was 'closed.' Perhaps that was for the first year's allocation...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1dup2vCGey4
The presentation doesn't start until 7 mins in, I've watched it all, I enjoyed their spiel, and I'm quite glad that the power figures are up there with the rest!! I just don't like the NSX in that colour!!
Upwards of 550bhp, wonder if there's more being left for an R version?
The presentation doesn't start until 7 mins in, I've watched it all, I enjoyed their spiel, and I'm quite glad that the power figures are up there with the rest!! I just don't like the NSX in that colour!!
Upwards of 550bhp, wonder if there's more being left for an R version?
In terms of today, Ford have shown Honda how it should be done, sorry to say. The Ford looks more dramatic, will definitely be quicker*, and is unlikely to take a glacial 3 years from (3rd in 10 years) concept to production.
As for the looks of the NSX - conservative and derivative, like the original (yes, remember fanboys the original's looks weren't favoured by the press at launch), need to wait and see if it dates well. The R8 I suspect will age well, so this may do OK.
I like the fact they've given it a decent power output and the suggestions that they're using the electric tech in the same way as the P1. I also like the serious consideration of practicality, like the original - if it's up against the replacement R8, the Mercedes GT and the 991 Turbo it'll need to be. I'm not sure about the 9-speed 'box, but too many ratios is now a de-rigeur part of modern car willy-waving.
All that said, like most on here I've not got thick-end of £150k to spend on a car, so my opinions matter little. I'll keep my lowly Mk1...
* possibly not better-handling, but I won't wager against a substantial weight-saving...and the 2000s-era GT was a fine handling car and has become a modern classic.
As for the looks of the NSX - conservative and derivative, like the original (yes, remember fanboys the original's looks weren't favoured by the press at launch), need to wait and see if it dates well. The R8 I suspect will age well, so this may do OK.
I like the fact they've given it a decent power output and the suggestions that they're using the electric tech in the same way as the P1. I also like the serious consideration of practicality, like the original - if it's up against the replacement R8, the Mercedes GT and the 991 Turbo it'll need to be. I'm not sure about the 9-speed 'box, but too many ratios is now a de-rigeur part of modern car willy-waving.
All that said, like most on here I've not got thick-end of £150k to spend on a car, so my opinions matter little. I'll keep my lowly Mk1...
* possibly not better-handling, but I won't wager against a substantial weight-saving...and the 2000s-era GT was a fine handling car and has become a modern classic.
pistondan77 said:
dxg said:
Sadly, I think it's an overly-fussy design that's going to date badly - particularly the front. It's not going to be a classic like the original.
Totally agree. A technological showcase for sure, but what a styling hash-up. Externals like the internals - confusing and overly complicated.The way modern performance cars are heading, there's no escaping 'confusing and complicated' internals.
I've never looked at a car I'm thinking about buying and had the colour of the indicators as one of the deciding factors.
I'll be interested in how they bring all the tech together and how it drives, I don't think it looks that bad that you'd dismiss it if it delivers on the road/track like the original did.
Claudia Skies said:
Is this Acura (it's not a Honda) somehow twinned with the new Ford GT40? They look spookily similar to me, especially the side treatment.
Can't be twinned, but the rear haunches do seem to quite similar in design, this will be quicker off the line due to e-shawd, even though Ford claiming best power to weight ratio.....Im a sad panda. Don't love this like I hoped I would.
Styling wise- the front end is a bit 'hot Civic' to me. Yes, a coherent 'design language' throughout the range is to be expected, but its not particularly exciting.
Rear end is relatively plain and more 'coupe-ish' than I'd like in a high end vehicle like this.
Sides are its best feature with those unapologetically large intakes, and do I spy 'flying butresses'? Shame they haven't pulled the trigger on the rest of the styling like they have here.
As for the tech, I like the idea of a cheaper/ affordable 918. I've been unenthused about hybrid tech in supercars up until very recently, but I guess I'll have to learn to love it like everyone else.
£100Kish seems about right.
I guess expecting it to have the pedigree/ mystique of the original is a bit unrealistic. I hate to trot out the 'purity' cliche, but its not going to be the analogue (cliche count: 2) experience that we associate with 'NSX'.
Even if Honda had wanted to do a pared-back, non-hybrid NSX they really couldn't have. Given their fondness/ reputation for clever technology, an NSX without cutting-edge electric power would've seemed like a huge missed opportunity.
Awaiting the inevitable champ white 'R' eagerly...
Styling wise- the front end is a bit 'hot Civic' to me. Yes, a coherent 'design language' throughout the range is to be expected, but its not particularly exciting.
Rear end is relatively plain and more 'coupe-ish' than I'd like in a high end vehicle like this.
Sides are its best feature with those unapologetically large intakes, and do I spy 'flying butresses'? Shame they haven't pulled the trigger on the rest of the styling like they have here.
As for the tech, I like the idea of a cheaper/ affordable 918. I've been unenthused about hybrid tech in supercars up until very recently, but I guess I'll have to learn to love it like everyone else.
£100Kish seems about right.
I guess expecting it to have the pedigree/ mystique of the original is a bit unrealistic. I hate to trot out the 'purity' cliche, but its not going to be the analogue (cliche count: 2) experience that we associate with 'NSX'.
Even if Honda had wanted to do a pared-back, non-hybrid NSX they really couldn't have. Given their fondness/ reputation for clever technology, an NSX without cutting-edge electric power would've seemed like a huge missed opportunity.
Awaiting the inevitable champ white 'R' eagerly...
I like the car, I really do. However...
But does anyone think the styling is a little bit 'last year'? It's like we've already seen the lines and the shapes before. It looks like something I've seen in iRobot.
This is coming from a Honda enthusiast as well. I'm just not like 'wow!'.
Just a little disappointed. Can't help it.
But does anyone think the styling is a little bit 'last year'? It's like we've already seen the lines and the shapes before. It looks like something I've seen in iRobot.
This is coming from a Honda enthusiast as well. I'm just not like 'wow!'.
Just a little disappointed. Can't help it.
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