RE: Honda NSX - Detroit 2015
Discussion
I know it's turbo'd but the 7,500rpm rev limit also leaves a lot to be desired.
I for one will no doubt miss the V6 VTEC induction screamer some of us are used to, I guess the proof will be in the pudding once we get to sample it. I for one, certainly, have no thoughts on 'trading up' at this moment in time though.
I for one will no doubt miss the V6 VTEC induction screamer some of us are used to, I guess the proof will be in the pudding once we get to sample it. I for one, certainly, have no thoughts on 'trading up' at this moment in time though.
Rather excited (as a McLaren fanboy) by the McLaren-esque individual wheel braking stuff.
Probably shouldn't be, because as far as I can tell its this technology that made the MP4-12C 'capable' rather than 'exciting'.
This really is a very tech-laden thing. You never know, maybe it will all hang together perfectly and change the game up like Harris claims the P1 does... if it can pull this feat off at the £100Kish price point then Honda will have achieving something amazing.
I suspect it'll need to be a bit of a game-changer to offset the rather 'safe' aesthetics.
Unfortunate timing with those Ford GT pictures coming out too. Most people seem very taken with it, but its lost the iconic beauty that the first 'new' GT managed to capture. I mean, a Ford GT without doors that have the potential to scalp you? It's not right...
I just cannot see the NSX stealing hearts in a group test when it meets its inevitably more 'characterful' rivals. Will be very happy to be proven wrong.
Probably shouldn't be, because as far as I can tell its this technology that made the MP4-12C 'capable' rather than 'exciting'.
This really is a very tech-laden thing. You never know, maybe it will all hang together perfectly and change the game up like Harris claims the P1 does... if it can pull this feat off at the £100Kish price point then Honda will have achieving something amazing.
I suspect it'll need to be a bit of a game-changer to offset the rather 'safe' aesthetics.
Unfortunate timing with those Ford GT pictures coming out too. Most people seem very taken with it, but its lost the iconic beauty that the first 'new' GT managed to capture. I mean, a Ford GT without doors that have the potential to scalp you? It's not right...
I just cannot see the NSX stealing hearts in a group test when it meets its inevitably more 'characterful' rivals. Will be very happy to be proven wrong.
Sampaio said:
...it's been clearly aimed at the American market, which frankly is never a good thing for a car of any segment.
lol. Jeremy, is that you hijacking Sampaio's keyboard?Mate, the Acura marque was created solely because of America.
Sure, we can draw up a list of American things that are unworthy, but a petrolhead world devoid of Yank contributions would be a lesser world.
Posers car par excellence. Not much more use than tits on a bull in the real world.
If all the toys actually work, & do as they are supposed to do, only one in 10,000 of those who can afford it, will be able to drive it without half a ton of electronics protecting them from themselves.
And yes, ugly as sin too. Why can't these people design for simplicity & effectiveness. Do they really have to have every panel convoluted & contorted, or is it just that they can in carbon fiber, so they do.
If this is what people want, & actually translates to more sales of front drive slushbox sedans, god help us.
If all the toys actually work, & do as they are supposed to do, only one in 10,000 of those who can afford it, will be able to drive it without half a ton of electronics protecting them from themselves.
And yes, ugly as sin too. Why can't these people design for simplicity & effectiveness. Do they really have to have every panel convoluted & contorted, or is it just that they can in carbon fiber, so they do.
If this is what people want, & actually translates to more sales of front drive slushbox sedans, god help us.
Looks cheap in the photos... Actually, pretty disappointing. No real cohesion, no real look at all. I see what they're trying; honda face on a supercar like audi did with the R8 - but this is just fussy.
Maybe it'll be better in the flesh... But to be perfectly honest, I'm not particularly excited by all these tech-fest battery cars that are coming out. They're...boring. It all just stinks of legislation, not innovation. It's progress to please an emission test - a very particular test that is easy to get around with a few batteries.
A generation of sports cars for those who don't care about cars are coming. Fashion accessories.
Maybe it'll be better in the flesh... But to be perfectly honest, I'm not particularly excited by all these tech-fest battery cars that are coming out. They're...boring. It all just stinks of legislation, not innovation. It's progress to please an emission test - a very particular test that is easy to get around with a few batteries.
A generation of sports cars for those who don't care about cars are coming. Fashion accessories.
daytona365 said:
Sorry, this looks like a missed chance, and nowhere near the groundbreaking original NSX ( In 89 let's not forget )Just says to me 'watered down Audi R8'.
Watered down R8? how on earth is it a watered down R8? For starters, are you mentioning an R8 purely because it's 4wd? Secondly, the technology in this appears to be far more advanced.... So therefore is it not the opposite of a watered down R8?E65Ross said:
Watered down R8? how on earth is it a watered down R8? For starters, are you mentioning an R8 purely because it's 4wd? Secondly, the technology in this appears to be far more advanced.... So therefore is it not the opposite of a watered down R8?
Im guessing the 'watered down R8' comparison is a reference to the styling only.The R8 is ancient, a dinosaur in comparison. It's hardly an old car, yet it's barely comparable to the new NSX, such is the rate of technological progress.
Spotted a thumbnail while browsing YouTube earlier, for a video of the Top Gear episode where they group test the R8, 458 and MP4-12C. Remembered that the unanimous decision was 458 wins, despite the R8 scoring highest and the McLaren being the most capable/ clever. It just had the 'want' factor, I suppose.
Im no Top Gear fan, and take everything they say with a large pinch of salt, but I can't help but feel that come the NSX group test, its going to lose out in the same way to whatever its rivals may be. It probably won't just be limited to TG either.
It'll be a technical tour de force, it'll be admired and respected, but it won't be 'loved'. It's completely possible that Im jumping the gun given how little we've seen, but my instinct strongly suggests that its going to be regarded as a bit 'clinical'.
Can't help but wonder if Im becoming a dinosaur myself (32), and that these less-analogue, high tech hybrid supercars are aimed at a younger demographic who are less attached to internal combustion-only, manual cars. I'd consider myself 'Playstation generation', where Skylines with G-meters were the iconic cars (Im sure many PHers would consider me to be a youngster!). Maybe my concerns about the new NSX being a big departure from the original is completely irrelevant...
daytona365 said:
Sorry, this looks like a missed chance, and nowhere near the groundbreaking original NSX ( In 89 let's not forget )Just says to me 'watered down Audi R8'.
Can you point me in the direction of which R8 has anywhere near this much tech please for the same price? Oh yeah thought not.How ground breaking did you expect for 100k?! A fusion reactor in the back.
Look at Lexus, they blew 300k a car on the LFA, was that ground breaking, not really in any particular department.
If Honda can build this and make money on it then its ground breaking, the original NSX wasn't a difficult thing to do at the time, take a Ferrari, build something similar in style and inject Japanese reliability, wouldn't exactly say it was ground breaking back in the day just it worked. Problem today is everyone is using a million different technologies, unless you start charging a million a car theirs not much left to do that others have not already done.
I'm not convinced about having 9 gears. Assuming this is best driven in manual mode it would be difficult to remember which gear you are in, conversely you might have to shift down 5 gears to accelerate assuming the top 3 or 4 are just to eek out one more mpg.
8/9 gears are ok on a Range Rover or such where people just leave it in auto and let it do its thing, but for a sports car in manual I think it is too much and not needed.
The GT probably has 3 and an overdrive .
8/9 gears are ok on a Range Rover or such where people just leave it in auto and let it do its thing, but for a sports car in manual I think it is too much and not needed.
The GT probably has 3 and an overdrive .
If PH were around in 1989, I think the comments around the original NSX would be virtually the same as appearing now about the NSX2:
- looks like a restyled pastiche of other contemporary junior supercars.
- lacks the desirability of a Ferrari/Porsche/insert some specialist non-mainstream car brand.
- who'd buy a £XXX,XXX Honda?
- not as powerful as a [insert another car from another manufacturer that costs considerably more]
- technologically impressive but lacking any emotional appeal.
- why bother, who's going to buy it?
The reality is that the original NSX is now regarded as a bona-fide classic and the true progenitor of the likes of the Ferrari 355 and successors, the Audi R8, and everyday useable 911s. The point of the car, like the original NSX, isn't to sell loads and loads, it is to showcase what Honda can do and act as a rallying point for the technological and engineering prowess of the company. Indeed, the lesson we can take from the experience of the first NSX is that the car was so advanced in concept that it's only in retrospect that we can see it's effect on the wider market. This of, course, adds to the value of Mk1 NSXs today, and is why the car is so highly regarded around the World. If the Mk2 does something similar (in a much more competitive market) then it will have been a success, even if like the original they only sell a small amount.
- looks like a restyled pastiche of other contemporary junior supercars.
- lacks the desirability of a Ferrari/Porsche/insert some specialist non-mainstream car brand.
- who'd buy a £XXX,XXX Honda?
- not as powerful as a [insert another car from another manufacturer that costs considerably more]
- technologically impressive but lacking any emotional appeal.
- why bother, who's going to buy it?
The reality is that the original NSX is now regarded as a bona-fide classic and the true progenitor of the likes of the Ferrari 355 and successors, the Audi R8, and everyday useable 911s. The point of the car, like the original NSX, isn't to sell loads and loads, it is to showcase what Honda can do and act as a rallying point for the technological and engineering prowess of the company. Indeed, the lesson we can take from the experience of the first NSX is that the car was so advanced in concept that it's only in retrospect that we can see it's effect on the wider market. This of, course, adds to the value of Mk1 NSXs today, and is why the car is so highly regarded around the World. If the Mk2 does something similar (in a much more competitive market) then it will have been a success, even if like the original they only sell a small amount.
Interesting to see the psychology of marketing in action so clearly.
This is a good looking car with some very exciting tech but the new Ford that surprised everyone yesterday makes it look dull and nerdy.
Everyone is going to remember the Ford but few are going to remember this in the way that they would have without yesterday. And also being several years old in visuals just doesn't help.
This is a good looking car with some very exciting tech but the new Ford that surprised everyone yesterday makes it look dull and nerdy.
Everyone is going to remember the Ford but few are going to remember this in the way that they would have without yesterday. And also being several years old in visuals just doesn't help.
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