RE: £7,395 996 'GT3': Spotted
Discussion
Grab them while you can, I know the facelift 996 are a little more desirable but imho they are properly underated cars.
The 964 was also unloved years ago and look what's happened to those.
Remember the time you could buy a 70's 911 Targa for £8-£10,000, try doing that now.
Admittedly I would want a manual, but a nice clean 996 C4S manual, fresh suspension and sports exhaust is on my list whilst the majority of moaning people are keeping the values down
The 964 was also unloved years ago and look what's happened to those.
Remember the time you could buy a 70's 911 Targa for £8-£10,000, try doing that now.
Admittedly I would want a manual, but a nice clean 996 C4S manual, fresh suspension and sports exhaust is on my list whilst the majority of moaning people are keeping the values down
Loved my 996, great daily but it was an utter pain in the arse to live with. I've never had a car with so many small things break so consistently, for the last 7 months of ownership I never had a month where it wasn't going in for some work. After these cars get over the 70k mark they start to show the quality of the OEM kit for what it is. Perhaps I was overly picky on somethings that maybe I could have lived with but really thats not why I own cars.
Though this is a bargain on the surface it is realistically going to be a money pit. I guarantee the suspension will need a complete overhaul which is not a cheap operation, brakes are not a cheap replacement if both front and rear need doing, hoses will all need checking as at 70k plus they are prone top splitting, fans get dodgy at higher milage too.
If you have the money to have it as a side project / weekend dcar then go for it but I can think of better and more reliable ways of getting in a decent sports car for £7k.
I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Though this is a bargain on the surface it is realistically going to be a money pit. I guarantee the suspension will need a complete overhaul which is not a cheap operation, brakes are not a cheap replacement if both front and rear need doing, hoses will all need checking as at 70k plus they are prone top splitting, fans get dodgy at higher milage too.
If you have the money to have it as a side project / weekend dcar then go for it but I can think of better and more reliable ways of getting in a decent sports car for £7k.
I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
k-ink said:
£7k and falling. I remember when people on here said the 996 would never dip to £15k. With so many produced there will keep falling to scrap / breaking levels, just like any other car.
How much further can they realistically fall, there seems to be almost a "safety net" for anything half interesting where the market wont allow it to go any cheaper as it drops down it drops into more budgets and as still desirable gets snapped up when at competetive money.For example S2000's, E46 M3's, 350Z, Z4/Z3 (with a decent engine, Boxsters, RS Fords, 944 S2/Turbos, TT's.
This is before any rise due to age, scarcity and nostalgia.
All cars have a range, but the 7 grand 911 is right at the bottom of the 911's range in living memory, I cant see them going any lower, most 996's are dearer than that, seen a fair few 8 grand ones and still quite a few up to 15, and they don't necessarily have the engine work done already.
I wonder what a 996 would part out for, an engine with the work done must be £3000, panels, wheels, suspension, brakes, lights, interior etc, would imagine broken 911's get picked cleaner than a Roast Chicken in 1942 !
That looks like a great buy to me. If the aerokit could be removed then even better as it looks rather naff but a 911 with a recent engine rebuild to avoid the possible self-destruction for that price looks great. I'd much rather have a tiptronic in a GT car like that than a manual anyway.
M@1975 said:
Loved my 996, great daily but it was an utter pain in the arse to live with. I've never had a car with so many small things break so consistently, for the last 7 months of ownership I never had a month where it wasn't going in for some work. After these cars get over the 70k mark they start to show the quality of the OEM kit for what it is. Perhaps I was overly picky on somethings that maybe I could have lived with but really thats not why I own cars.
Though this is a bargain on the surface it is realistically going to be a money pit. I guarantee the suspension will need a complete overhaul which is not a cheap operation, brakes are not a cheap replacement if both front and rear need doing, hoses will all need checking as at 70k plus they are prone top splitting, fans get dodgy at higher milage too.
If you have the money to have it as a side project / weekend dcar then go for it but I can think of better and more reliable ways of getting in a decent sports car for £7k.
I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Yep and values of e36 M3s have been on the up for a while now. I remember when the cheapest 996s were 10k, how much further can they fall?Though this is a bargain on the surface it is realistically going to be a money pit. I guarantee the suspension will need a complete overhaul which is not a cheap operation, brakes are not a cheap replacement if both front and rear need doing, hoses will all need checking as at 70k plus they are prone top splitting, fans get dodgy at higher milage too.
If you have the money to have it as a side project / weekend dcar then go for it but I can think of better and more reliable ways of getting in a decent sports car for £7k.
I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
If you're not someone who's too worried about mileage, then this seems an even better buy:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Wow...that is some interior. I thought mine below (another special order colour) was a little 'funky' at first but THAT is the sort of thing I'd expect to see in an 80's Strosek or Gemballa. I pulled a face when I first saw picture of mine as the light blue and black really don't seem to go together a bit like cinnamon and the black.
Mine is also a tiptronic.....with a GT3 aero kit...oh, and it's worse, it's a convertible. My 993 (Porsche snob) owning mate saw the advert and described it as 'overdressed tat'. However, in defense...my missus was going to buy some brand new euro box and I ended up with option of that on the drive OR go 1/2's on a mint 3.6 996 that us two and the two year old twins can go out for a picnic in on a sunny day. No brainer. Ok, it's compromised as a sports car and very much non-purist spec but it's still a great drive and excellent value. This at 7k could be a money pit or could be a fantastic proposition.
Ben
Mine is also a tiptronic.....with a GT3 aero kit...oh, and it's worse, it's a convertible. My 993 (Porsche snob) owning mate saw the advert and described it as 'overdressed tat'. However, in defense...my missus was going to buy some brand new euro box and I ended up with option of that on the drive OR go 1/2's on a mint 3.6 996 that us two and the two year old twins can go out for a picnic in on a sunny day. No brainer. Ok, it's compromised as a sports car and very much non-purist spec but it's still a great drive and excellent value. This at 7k could be a money pit or could be a fantastic proposition.
Ben
St John Smythe said:
Yep and values of e36 M3s have been on the up for a while now. I remember when the cheapest 996s were 10k, how much further can they fall?
Looks like the manuals are creeping up slightly. A year ago you could get a 80k C2 for less than 9k albeit in an undesirable colours... not many of them about now.St John Smythe said:
I've had my eye on 996s for a while now. For years people have been saying they are about to go up in value but they just seem to be constantly on a downward spiral.
Actually they haven't been going up in value because there have been plenty of older Porsches for the same money or cheaper and they're far more desirable. THAT little fact has changed and finding any pre-996 911 for under £20k will be almost impossible soon. At that point 996 values will shore up and in the longer term I doubt there'll be any 911 under £20k on the market. The knock on effect will help values of the Boxster and Cayman. A Boxster for £4k won't last, the ropey cars will be broken up for spares and everything else will find their way to owners who know how to get the best out of them. A nicely fettled with Boxster S will be a great proposition.
The problem with these cars is that they are undoubtedly great value BUT generally those that will buy them will steadfastly not maintain them to the standard they require. Its very different to go and spend £7k on something fast from Ford or made in Japan and keep that on the road for a reasonable amount of cash. the original sale price of my car was nearly £90k, completely nuts to think I bought it at £15k, BUT it needed another £6k spent on it in my 2 years of ownership, I bought it with my eyes open and expecting £2k plus a year and thats what I got. Most people buying a £4k boxster or a £7k 911 just won't budget that to keep it on the road.
Ultimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
Ultimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
M@1975 said:
I can think of better and more reliable ways of getting in a decent sports car for £7k.
I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Not with an SMG box and in Perthshire. And an E36 will rust - Mine did.I'd personally be looking more at the M3 market : http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
M@1975 said:
The problem with these cars is that they are undoubtedly great value BUT generally those that will buy them will steadfastly not maintain them to the standard they require. Its very different to go and spend £7k on something fast from Ford or made in Japan and keep that on the road for a reasonable amount of cash. the original sale price of my car was nearly £90k, completely nuts to think I bought it at £15k, BUT it needed another £6k spent on it in my 2 years of ownership, I bought it with my eyes open and expecting £2k plus a year and thats what I got. Most people buying a £4k boxster or a £7k 911 just won't budget that to keep it on the road.
Ultimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
ThisUltimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
billzeebub said:
M@1975 said:
The problem with these cars is that they are undoubtedly great value BUT generally those that will buy them will steadfastly not maintain them to the standard they require. Its very different to go and spend £7k on something fast from Ford or made in Japan and keep that on the road for a reasonable amount of cash. the original sale price of my car was nearly £90k, completely nuts to think I bought it at £15k, BUT it needed another £6k spent on it in my 2 years of ownership, I bought it with my eyes open and expecting £2k plus a year and thats what I got. Most people buying a £4k boxster or a £7k 911 just won't budget that to keep it on the road.
Ultimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
ThisUltimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
TTwiggy said:
billzeebub said:
M@1975 said:
The problem with these cars is that they are undoubtedly great value BUT generally those that will buy them will steadfastly not maintain them to the standard they require. Its very different to go and spend £7k on something fast from Ford or made in Japan and keep that on the road for a reasonable amount of cash. the original sale price of my car was nearly £90k, completely nuts to think I bought it at £15k, BUT it needed another £6k spent on it in my 2 years of ownership, I bought it with my eyes open and expecting £2k plus a year and thats what I got. Most people buying a £4k boxster or a £7k 911 just won't budget that to keep it on the road.
Ultimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
ThisUltimately this will lead to the price going up as fewer adn fewer cars will be looked after and kept running to a decent standard, chatting to Johnny over at Precision Porsche he was saying his next investment car might well be an early 3.4 C2 manual with fried egg lights as finding an original, low miler which has actually been correctly maintained is getting harder and harder.
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