RE: Honda Civic Type R spy shots
Discussion
shake n bake said:
Looks sooooo different to every other civic out there. Oh wait......
I'm not sure I understand this - the whole point of doing a variant of a model is that it looks like the model (or rather, it is that model), e.g. M3/4/5/6 and 3/4/5/6 series, M135/M135 and 1/2 series, Focus/Fiesta and ST, Clio/Megane and RS, C/E/S/SL/CL/SLK/CLK class and 55/63 AMG, A3/A4/A5/A6/A7 and S/RS, etc etc etc. The standard car is not a good base styling wise,as uk buyers are voting with there wallets and not buying them uk Honda is having a hard time ,why its took them so long to bring to market I don,t know it must be something special around a race track ? but what will it be like on the road...
MustardCutter said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
MustardCutter said:
has there been any F1 team hatchbacks since the Williams Clio?
A few renaultsports (f1 team, r26, red bull etc etc)Edit: looked up the RB8 Megane, it seems to be a normal optioned-up Cup Megane with a unique paint job. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though...
Edited by MustardCutter on Wednesday 14th January 17:32
LaurasOtherHalf said:
MustardCutter said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
MustardCutter said:
has there been any F1 team hatchbacks since the Williams Clio?
A few renaultsports (f1 team, r26, red bull etc etc)Edit: looked up the RB8 Megane, it seems to be a normal optioned-up Cup Megane with a unique paint job. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though...
Edited by MustardCutter on Wednesday 14th January 17:32
I accept that I may be completely alone with this opinion, but I prefer the looks of the wagon as a basis for the hot version. More practical too. Shame they won't make one.
Mind you, recently, looks-wise I'm more often than not preferring wagons over saloon/hatch versions of most modern cars.
Getting old, I guess.
Mind you, recently, looks-wise I'm more often than not preferring wagons over saloon/hatch versions of most modern cars.
Getting old, I guess.
My £3000 is in the bank of Honda already...
I have to say I am hoping that the production version (preview at Geneva in March?) replicates that of the concept more so. I understand that there are rules and regulations surrounding the use of protrusions, sharp edges etc. but also feel that perhaps some consideration should have been given to this before launching an all out ad campaign including videos, photo's and marketing material like leaflets which mainly focused on the features that do not appear to be on this recently spotted prototype. That is to say if of course the final production version neglects those key features.
I will reserve my judgement, and my right to withdraw my financial commitment to the marque until I am happy that the production version fulfils the initial desire I felt to buy the car, which resulted from a mightily impressive concept launch and ad campaign (I do also get that a concept is a concept but didn't want to miss out on the potential offering!)... However I do feel confident in what lies beneath. Being a big follower of the Type R brand, having owned a variety of such imports and UK cars I know that the chassis and drivetrain will be market leading where driver reward is concerned.
It's probably too late to make any changes so I'm crossing everything that they've got it right, and many of us fearing some disappointment are proven wrong!
BGWFTW
I have to say I am hoping that the production version (preview at Geneva in March?) replicates that of the concept more so. I understand that there are rules and regulations surrounding the use of protrusions, sharp edges etc. but also feel that perhaps some consideration should have been given to this before launching an all out ad campaign including videos, photo's and marketing material like leaflets which mainly focused on the features that do not appear to be on this recently spotted prototype. That is to say if of course the final production version neglects those key features.
I will reserve my judgement, and my right to withdraw my financial commitment to the marque until I am happy that the production version fulfils the initial desire I felt to buy the car, which resulted from a mightily impressive concept launch and ad campaign (I do also get that a concept is a concept but didn't want to miss out on the potential offering!)... However I do feel confident in what lies beneath. Being a big follower of the Type R brand, having owned a variety of such imports and UK cars I know that the chassis and drivetrain will be market leading where driver reward is concerned.
It's probably too late to make any changes so I'm crossing everything that they've got it right, and many of us fearing some disappointment are proven wrong!
BGWFTW
While the looks are obviously important, I'm more interested in how this thing will drive. The thing that made the Type R's stand out in an overcrowded hot hatch market place were those wonderful revvy engines but now that they've gone down a different route will, it still have that zing that Type R fans love or will it just be another ubiquitous turbo lump?
Many feel the Renault Clio RS has lost something by going down the standard turbo route, I just fear this will go the same way. I'd have been a lot more impressed if Honda had kept the revvy 2 litre engine but added an electric motor of some kind to do torque fill and also help them to massage the emissions tests, sort of like an Insight but turned up to 11. A 1.6 turbo just seems a bit too "normal" and not that impressive for Honda.
Many feel the Renault Clio RS has lost something by going down the standard turbo route, I just fear this will go the same way. I'd have been a lot more impressed if Honda had kept the revvy 2 litre engine but added an electric motor of some kind to do torque fill and also help them to massage the emissions tests, sort of like an Insight but turned up to 11. A 1.6 turbo just seems a bit too "normal" and not that impressive for Honda.
Guvernator said:
While the looks are obviously important, I'm more interested in how this thing will drive. The thing that made the Type R's stand out in an overcrowded hot hatch market place were those wonderful revvy engines but now that they've gone down a different route will, it still have that zing that Type R fans love or will it just be another ubiquitous turbo lump?
Many feel the Renault Clio RS has lost something by going down the standard turbo route, I just fear this will go the same way. I'd have been a lot more impressed if Honda had kept the revvy 2 litre engine but added an electric motor of some kind to do torque fill and also help them to massage the emissions tests, sort of like an Insight but turned up to 11. A 1.6 turbo just seems a bit too "normal" and not that impressive for Honda.
I'm 99.9% sure it's a 2.0 turboMany feel the Renault Clio RS has lost something by going down the standard turbo route, I just fear this will go the same way. I'd have been a lot more impressed if Honda had kept the revvy 2 litre engine but added an electric motor of some kind to do torque fill and also help them to massage the emissions tests, sort of like an Insight but turned up to 11. A 1.6 turbo just seems a bit too "normal" and not that impressive for Honda.
HJMS123 said:
I'm 99.9% sure it's a 2.0 turbo
OK, for some reason I had it in my head that it was a 1.6 but I think you are right. At any rate my point still stands, the engine needs to fizz. If they make it feel anodyne with a diesel like power delivery ala the vast majority of turbocharged engines these days, it will have lost it's Type R'ness IMO.
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