RE: NSX worth the wait? PH Blog
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SpeckledJim said:
This is a surprise to you? You haven't noticed manufacturers advertising on things, and sponsoring things, and going racing?
Seriously?
Yes, especially when a manufacturer like Porsche cant seem to deliver on engine reliability and there are still a shedload of people on a waiting list. Still, we'll see Porsche vs Honda in F1 this year......oh.Seriously?
hondansx said:
mikEsprit said:
StottyEvo said:
I could be wrong (as I wasn't around when it was released) but I get the impression that the original NSX wasn't appreciated at the time. Very simple looks, 270bhp & 1345kg with 0-62 taking 6secs.
When the new car is driven, who knows, dynamically it could be absolutely phenomenal and I hope it is.
The original was appreciated at the time, especially by the magazines.When the new car is driven, who knows, dynamically it could be absolutely phenomenal and I hope it is.
As an Esprit fan, I think the original NSX was ill proportioned, ugly, and soulless. It might be my least favorite exotic ever. However, it has its fans and has from the beginning.
I've never driven one and don't want to, so my opinion is what it is. Had it not characterized itself as an exotic, perhaps my opinion would be different.
mikEsprit said:
Its raison d'être never seemed to be about excitement, looks, flash, impact, etc., all of the things that an exotic sports car was supposed to be, imo. Instead, it was focused on reliability, daily drivability, and other characteristics associated with Honda. Like a girl entering a beauty contest, but focusing on the talent segment.
I've never driven one and don't want to, so my opinion is what it is. Had it not characterized itself as an exotic, perhaps my opinion would be different.
Really? Suggest you reread the reviews of the time as to how it drove. That was the #1 goal for Honda.I've never driven one and don't want to, so my opinion is what it is. Had it not characterized itself as an exotic, perhaps my opinion would be different.
If you're saying that you choose not to drive a car that reset the benchmarks for driving, I think you're just showing your prejudice. I get that you don't like the way it looks (which is to me understated elegance rather than flash) but to say that you prefer to remain ignorant is a bit un-PH!
SpeckledJim said:
vz-r_dave said:
SpeckledJim said:
vz-r_dave said:
SpeckledJim said:
vz-r_dave said:
MarshPhantom said:
The last one was hardly a big hit, despite the links with Senna. Can't see this doing too well.
Why?Good isn't really in the equation.
And the links with Senna don't really mean anything. The best chassis engineer in the world is a chap we'll never hear about, but he'll be much better at making a sports car drive well than Ayrton Senna would have been.
Which would you say is 'doing' better - the 911 or the GTR?
vz-r_dave said:
juicy sushi said:
MB 1 said:
The biggest failing is making it under the Acura brand, and making it in the US.
Massive mistake.
They have a massive engineering and R&D operation in the US, build a lot of their cars there, and have a racetrack very close buy, which they own, and are able to use as needed to develop the car. It made total sense, especially since they're Japanese R&D facilities are spending most of their time focusing on fuel cell development and the like.Massive mistake.
Perhaps they are looking to leverage the NSX to boost/introduce the brand into Europe?
To Japanese car fans, Acura isn't a well respected brand. Also car enthusiasts outside the U.S. view cars from there with a huge amount of caution. I can't think of many US sports cars I'd want to own.I think it's a big marketing error.
As a potential customer, I'd really struggle buying something with an Acura badge. I truly hope it's released in Europe under the Honda name as per before. I'm not a badge snob at all, I've owned a lot of Japanese cars, and some Lotus and Porsche. But the U.S. connection I don't like.
MB 1 said:
vz-r_dave said:
juicy sushi said:
MB 1 said:
The biggest failing is making it under the Acura brand, and making it in the US.
Massive mistake.
They have a massive engineering and R&D operation in the US, build a lot of their cars there, and have a racetrack very close buy, which they own, and are able to use as needed to develop the car. It made total sense, especially since they're Japanese R&D facilities are spending most of their time focusing on fuel cell development and the like.Massive mistake.
Perhaps they are looking to leverage the NSX to boost/introduce the brand into Europe?
To Japanese car fans, Acura isn't a well respected brand. Also car enthusiasts outside the U.S. view cars from there with a huge amount of caution. I can't think of many US sports cars I'd want to own.I think it's a big marketing error.
As a potential customer, I'd really struggle buying something with an Acura badge. I truly hope it's released in Europe under the Honda name as per before. I'm not a badge snob at all, I've owned a lot of Japanese cars, and some Lotus and Porsche. But the U.S. connection I don't like.
So such a model would at least put Acura on the mark, the car has mixed reviews but honestly if I saw this driving around London I'd look more than twice so I believe it would be good for the brand. Guess it depends how they market the car in Europe.
Manufactures are so global these days that I don't think it makes a huge difference where the car is built. Certainly in the US where they build the likes of Tesla, BMW, etc. Not sure what the issue is here.
MB 1 said:
I hope you're right.
I'd really like to see it kick some butts, and I'm sure it will. They are probably nervous of a repeat of the last NSX bs Ferrari. It's just for me the H badge means a lot more...
I agree, certainly with motorsport heritage which actually now makes me think I am wrong with Acura. Now that they are getting back into F1 surely hey will use that as a launch pad for the NSX and it'll therefore be branded as a Honda. I'd really like to see it kick some butts, and I'm sure it will. They are probably nervous of a repeat of the last NSX bs Ferrari. It's just for me the H badge means a lot more...
DanBMW said:
NSX Looks dull. Not totally convinced on the Ford GT, the design doesn't seem to flow very well.
Agree it looks dull reminds me of an R8 or something. If I shell out £100k+ on a car I want it to look pretty mental and unique this design just does not do it for me looks very generic and well boring.Sure it will be a fantastic car to drive but think in this category most of the cars drive far above the average drivers talents and as such the styling goes a very long way in getting cars sold.
"New NSX, boring Japanese car, not exciting enough for the money, blah, blah, blah...sigh....."
Well I like it. The original NSX was actually criticised for being conservative and boring, when launched against the Ferrari 348 and others, but rose tinted spectacles mean people love them now and think they're wonderful. Funny that when Honda used to shift about 10 a year....
The new Honda NSX appeals to Honda's core values of reliability, usability, etc and will do fine. People buying it will be Audi R8 type customers and there are some similarities In design..
Well I like it. The original NSX was actually criticised for being conservative and boring, when launched against the Ferrari 348 and others, but rose tinted spectacles mean people love them now and think they're wonderful. Funny that when Honda used to shift about 10 a year....
The new Honda NSX appeals to Honda's core values of reliability, usability, etc and will do fine. People buying it will be Audi R8 type customers and there are some similarities In design..
The scary thing for me is that the badge and name on the back is the attractive part about the car, (history of the original, racing pedigree, knowledge, companies true capabilities etc etc)yet despite that it's already struggling. So much for the purity aspect too... Should've just started re-producing the original, upped the power a bit and called it quits frankly.
As many have already posted, it pretty much needs to annihilate all Japanese competition for it to regain any desirability it has lost in these many years of development(strange, as I don't usually care for lap times anyways or such often meaningless figures). Here's hoping it sounds good!
As many have already posted, it pretty much needs to annihilate all Japanese competition for it to regain any desirability it has lost in these many years of development(strange, as I don't usually care for lap times anyways or such often meaningless figures). Here's hoping it sounds good!
Edited by speedjockey on Friday 16th January 23:18
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