RE: BMW M235i v VW Golf R: Delivery miles

RE: BMW M235i v VW Golf R: Delivery miles

Thursday 15th January 2015

BMW M235i v VW Golf R: Delivery miles

A tough choice with £30K or so to spend but there are discounts on both BMW and VW to be had



Here's a tussle to contend with. In the blue corner, the BMW M235i. 326hp from a 3.0-litre turbo engine. 0-62 in 4.8sec. Rear-wheel drive. In the red corner, the Volkswagen Golf R. 300hp from a 2.0-litre turbo engine. 0-62 in 4.9sec. Four-wheel drive.

A Golf R that isn't blue? They exist!
A Golf R that isn't blue? They exist!
We like 'em both. Each is a very accomplished tool - if not perfectly sharp. Of the Golf R, we said: "Grip and go it most certainly does have and, given the understated looks, you've got the ability to catch all manner of vehicles napping." And in the M235i, "the sense of connection between the throttle pedal and the rear contact patches feels as intimate as that between a puppet's limbs and its strings."

You like 'em too, it seems. In our 2014 round-up, both cars featured in our Top 10 most popular road tests of the year (the Golf R in ninth place, M235i in seventh). Both are clearly heartland PistonHeads metal. And very much hot properties. In terms of list price, they're surprisingly close: the Golf starts at £30,150 and the M235i at £34,535. But there are currently great deals to be had on both. So how much will it cost you to get into one?

£30K for a five-door manual with some extras
£30K for a five-door manual with some extras
R - that feels good
There aren't many used Mk7 Golf Rs around but asking prices are still nudging £30K. This 16,000-mile car with optional £360 Winter Pack is up for £29,995.

But you can have your very own brand new Golf R for barely more than £28K - representing a healthy nine per cent discount off new - from one specialist broker which sources its cars from within the UK dealer network.

Your entry point for a Golf R three-door with manual transmission (thank you for the choice VW) is £27,509, some £2,641 lower than the £30,150 list price. The discounted five-door R is £28,105 (versus £30,805 list), also a nine per cent saving.

Of course, you may prefer the DSG gearbox, and I really wouldn't blame you for choosing it. After all, it is 0.4 seconds faster to 62mph (4.9 seconds) and has slightly better official fuel and CO2 figures. To you, that'll be £28,797 for the three-door (£31,565 list) or £29,393 for the one with rear doors added (£32,220 list).

These are build-to-order prices, brand new from the factory. The catch is there's a wait for delivery - but it's far from extreme at 12 to 16 weeks. And of course you can specify your own choice of options, the mileage will be genuinely zero and you'll be the first owner in the logbook.

100 miles and £3.5K off...
100 miles and £3.5K off...
M - that's nice
And what of the M235i Coupe? BMW's entry list price is £34,535 for the manual or £36,080 for the auto. The cheapest used one in the classifieds has 5,730 miles on the clock and is up for a smidge over £30K at £30,800.

But for just another £195 you could get your backside into a delivery-mileage manual example from an official BMW dealership in Glasgow. At £30,995, you'll be saving £3,540 off list.

And just like the Golf R, if you go for automatic, the acceleration figures stack up slightly better. This auto M235i in Alpine White, also from an official UK dealer (in Yorkshire) is not completely new (it's a demonstrator), but it has low mileage. It can be yours for £31,872, or £4,208 off the list price.





   

 

[N.B. The keen amongst you may recognise the blue M235i. It is an ex-press car, as used by Autocar and What Car? and seen in the pic above. The advert doesn't mention it so we thought you should be aware given the thread from the 997 GT3. Now you know!]

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alexpa

Original Poster:

644 posts

172 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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As a curve, I'd take the soon to be available Golf R estate (hope they don't give the exhaust 4 exits. One enough, two max please VW).

And if they produce any R400 estates I'd go for one of those ;o)

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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12-16 Week wait on the Golf? Try 21+ Weeks, I ordered mine start of October, delivery expected mid March.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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The Golf will cover groud quicker but I'd still take the BMW - it'd likely be more fun and involving to drive, it's not the greatest looking car in the world but it's still better than the pudding of a Golf, which, whilst I am sure it is a fine and capable car, is about as boring to me as a tin of magnolia paint.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Axionknight said:
The Golf will cover groud quicker but I'd still take the BMW - it'd likely be more fun and involving to drive, it's not the greatest looking car in the world but it's still better than the pudding of a Golf, which, whilst I am sure it is a fine and capable car, is about as boring to me as a tin of magnolia paint.
i found the BMW very well setup but very disconnected, like a playstation game, doubly so compared to the M4

its a very comfy GT car thou for those who want to huge distances very quickly

Ursicles

1,068 posts

242 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Im waiting for a mad lease deal on the 235i ....

Wish id ordered the golf now as cant see a deal like that happening again,

bertie

8,548 posts

284 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Axionknight said:
The Golf will cover groud quicker but I'd still take the BMW - it'd likely be more fun and involving to drive, it's not the greatest looking car in the world but it's still better than the pudding of a Golf, which, whilst I am sure it is a fine and capable car, is about as boring to me as a tin of magnolia paint.
+1

We looked at a Golf before we bought the M135i and even the wife said "it's a bit boring!"
Nothing to ad, you said everything I would have said.

Peakybillington

30 posts

156 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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but would it ever be wise to buy an ex-press car? Particularly one that had been hooned around in by that there Mr Harris?

Taffer

2,125 posts

197 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Was this article inspired by the Golf R/M135i 'wouldn't be seen dead in one as any scrote can lease them' thread? biggrin

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

BMW for me please, if I weren't saving for other things or had 30k to spend on a new car! Golf R estate/wagon is tempting, but I'd rather just get a 2nd shed estate as use would include bikes, hillwalking gear, and tip trip debris being slung into the back on a semi-regular basis.

Frimley111R

15,652 posts

234 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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I can't help wondering if, in a year or two these are undesirable mainstream cars with big juicy engines no-one wants? A bit like the old R32

coltonbob

138 posts

223 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Exactly the two cars that I was looking at to replace my current car. Have always been a BMW fan and have owned one for the past 7 years so had my heart set on the 235 to start with, after thorough test drives in both I ordered the Golf, and I've always been of the opinion that VW's are as dull as dishwater. I'd recommend anyone to go and get a good test drive in one!

The engine and gearbox (I tried the 8 speed auto) in the BMW do feel a step above the VW in my opinion. However the Golf nailed everything else for me, a much more practical rounded package for me. I think if like me, you're restricted to one car, then you'll struggle to beat it as a do it all device for the money.

I managed to get just a smidge under 13% off my Golf R, but the lead times quoted in this article are very hopeful, you'll be looking at more like 6-7 months to get into a Golf R now unless you can get in on a build slot of a cancelled order. I ordered mine at the back end of August and should get it early March...

hufggfg

654 posts

193 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Why no comparison with the discounts available on a new M235i from one of the brokers? The discounts are similarly (if not more) impressive!

irfan1712

1,243 posts

153 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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did a 'car swap' with my cousin for a weekend when he had his R delivered, and I gave him my mk5 R32.

The Golf R is such an accomplished all arounder.. after stamping on the pedal the pace that follows is truly astounding for what is a Golf, for £270 a month inc vat. Never thought id say this but I cant imagine id enjoy the manual as much as I did with the DSG, it adds to the overall wow factor of its acceleration atleast. and the noise, sounded like an oldschool 4 pot rally car, enhanced or not.

However. it got a bit boring..the novelty factor wore off quite quickly. it lacked the charisma and personality that my slower, heavier R32 had.. and I believe this would be exactly the same story comparing the R with the 235 which seems to be the more entertaining and rewarding drive.

but for every day driving, an all rounder which can still pull your pants down when you want it too, id still have the R. and the fact that at one point you could have one for under £300 inclusive of vat on a contract hire deal. Astonishing car for the paper!

Edited by irfan1712 on Thursday 15th January 12:16

Alfa159Ti

827 posts

157 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Whilst these cars offer just the sort of performance and usability blend that I want from my next daily, the BMW is just butt ugly and the Golf is intensely dull. In my opinion of course. I just want a bit of style and visual tension from my car.

I still look back at my aging Z4 Coupe when I park it and it still gets compliments from clients and Joe public.

I can't see myself turning to look back at the bland Golf or the bulbous, squashed 235.


Ali_T

3,379 posts

257 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Even the folk on the R Forum are getting bored with theirs already. I take it the initial rush to get one has died down if delivery is only 12-16 weeks. It's longer for an Alfa at the moment!

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Ali_T said:
Even the folk on the R Forum are getting bored with theirs already. I take it the initial rush to get one has died down if delivery is only 12-16 weeks. It's longer for an Alfa at the moment!
Nonsense, you will get a factory car in 12-16 weeks.

TNH

559 posts

147 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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I test drove the Golf before I ordered my M235i and it left me feeling cold. Such a capable car but I'm not bothered about ultimate all weather pace and went for the much more fun BMW. With a manual of course.

dapearson

4,310 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Had my M135i for just about a year now. It's a brilliant car!

Lovely exhaust noise from startup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJFfv8lQCsk

Stonking engine in all gears. No lag, and shove from very low rpm, and then it sings with a wonderful howl all the way up to 7k rpm. One of the true great engines IMO. And in the 11k miles we've done it has averaged 32 mpg.

My wife has demanded that it stays with us for a very long time.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

257 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Tuvra said:
Nonsense, you will get a factory car in 12-16 weeks.
Well, I have personal experience. The GQV I ordered in August still hasn't been built and wasn't scheduled for production until the end of Februsry. I ended up getting a showroom car of the same spec shipped from another dealer. A lot of other GQV orders have seen long delays on Alfa Owner as well. One, ordered in May, wasn't delivered until early November.

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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I have so much want for a M235i and I would love one...I am even starting to respect the Golf now because everyone is waxing lyrical about them.

323ti

128 posts

121 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Having driven neither, and accepting that many people who have might say that the Golf is the better car overall, I would still take the BMW anytime.
RWD straight-six vs. 4WD four-banger at approximately equal money will always be a no-brainer for me.

I would still hold out for the M2 though. The disappointing M3/4 leaves an enormous opportunity for that car to hit the target big time.
And even kill the residuals on the much-coveted 1M...