The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVII)
Discussion
TheRocket said:
anonymous said:
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Yep in which case compared to this it's a no brainer £28k or sensible offers and I'm not sure another £10k would get it back to the level of the M3 (assuming it's as good as described)
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C756037
Money can't buy that, even if 964 prices are daft.
After years of the E36 shape being caught in the doldrums between the 'Classic' looks of the E30 and the more muscular looks of the E46 I think the E36 is due it's time in the sun again; I sometimes pine for an E36 Alpina B3 3.2 Convertible in black, black, blackity-black that I viewed and pondered over before pursuing the more thirsty world of Alpina V8's.
olly755 said:
My experience of fast E36 vs 964 ownership was that the Bimmer never really felt special enough, whereas every drive in the C2 was an occasion, a sensory pleasure every time.
Money can't buy that, even if 964 prices are daft.
Fair comment and Amen to that, though from my limited experience of 'M' products they were definitely up there on a sensory level with the Vanilla offerings from Stuttgart, and these 2 would appear to have become somewhat out of whack on the fun per £ ratio.Money can't buy that, even if 964 prices are daft.
TheRocket said:
Fair comment and Amen to that, though from my limited experience of 'M' products they were definitely up there on a sensory level with the Vanilla offerings from Stuttgart, and these 2 would appear to have become somewhat out of whack on the fun per £ ratio.
I'll come clean: my fast 3 series was a B8 4.6, so perhaps it's unfair to compare. I'd imagine either variant of the equivalent M3 to be sharper and more hard nosed, although it's pointless guessing as I've never driven either, and in any case the Alp should have felt special, because on paper it really was. Alas, the Buchloe boys maybe did far too good a job of engineering out the rawness, but then again it was their autobahn storming continent crusher to the ///M (and Porsche's) race car for the road ethos.Looking back I probably would have got a lot more out of a scruffy old 3.0 M3.
olly755 said:
TheRocket said:
Fair comment and Amen to that, though from my limited experience of 'M' products they were definitely up there on a sensory level with the Vanilla offerings from Stuttgart, and these 2 would appear to have become somewhat out of whack on the fun per £ ratio.
I'll come clean: my fast 3 series was a B8 4.6, so perhaps it's unfair to compare. I'd imagine either variant of the equivalent M3 to be sharper and more hard nosed, although it's pointless guessing as I've never driven either, and in any case the Alp should have felt special, because on paper it really was. Alas, the Buchloe boys maybe did far too good a job of engineering out the rawness, but then again it was their autobahn storming continent crusher to the ///M (and Porsche's) race car for the road ethos.Looking back I probably would have got a lot more out of a scruffy old 3.0 M3.
TheRocket said:
Yep in which case compared to this it's a no brainer
£28k or sensible offers and I'm not sure another £10k would get it back to the level of the M3 (assuming it's as good as described)
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C756037
Aside from 911 v M3 argument, there is something really appealing (to me at least) about a scruffy old 964. I'd love to buy that and sort the oily bits and leave it looking the same. £28k or sensible offers and I'm not sure another £10k would get it back to the level of the M3 (assuming it's as good as described)
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C756037
cmoose - that is a superb E36. 328i I presume? Tidy. Loved my 328i Touring (roof rails and Schnitzer suspension = stealthly b-road dismantling on demand).
Rocket / olly - agreed with both
I think the ///M models compare favourably with vanilla C2s of all generations but the former are certainly somewhat less afflicted by somewhat questionable logic of the The Market (TM).
Rocket / olly - agreed with both
I think the ///M models compare favourably with vanilla C2s of all generations but the former are certainly somewhat less afflicted by somewhat questionable logic of the The Market (TM).Crook said:
MattHall91 said:
Leins said:
That looks clean. 10 bags of sand well spent me thinks.
If however it is like every other M car then...
Buy it, keep it in good nick and watch the dollar signs in your eyes...
MattHall91 said:
Crook said:
MattHall91 said:
Leins said:
That looks clean. 10 bags of sand well spent me thinks.If however it is like every other M car then...
Buy it, keep it in good nick and watch the dollar signs in your eyes...
Some have stayed the same, some dropped, some rocketed........
s_m - absolutely fascinating (or depressing depending upon one's viewpoint!)
For example, I remember looking at E30 M3s and thinking them expensive at £10k less than ten years ago...
some bargains:
For example, I remember looking at E30 M3s and thinking them expensive at £10k less than ten years ago...
some bargains:
- 986s
- Mk3 MR2s
- RS Clios (other than the V6)
- air-cooled pork
- E30 M3s
- anything that can pass for a "modern classic" (updraft from more choice metal going off the scale - e.g. Ferraris, older / GTx / RS pork).
Leins said:
Nice article s_m! Some of the current values of the Japanese stuff are still a bit of a mystery to me, especially when you consider how good a rally car the likes of the Celica was
And I heard of someone picking up a relatively non-sheddy 850 T5 estate recently for buttons
I agree re the Celica GT4. I think it's an absolute bargain compared to the Euro rally stuff. Never driven a 4 but my younger brother had a couple of Celicas and they were great fun to punt about.And I heard of someone picking up a relatively non-sheddy 850 T5 estate recently for buttons
Example A: GT4
Good post on the old Autocar on the Yota GT4, can't say I've ever driven one (excluding many hours during the 90's in a pub on Sega Rally) I'd assume they were just completely overshadowed at the time by a certain Lancia ?
The Merc 190 Cosworth were still quite cheap until only a few years ago, I was offered a 2.3 with 100,000 miles which needed some tidying 2 years ago for £3k, looks like I might have messed up there.
The Merc 190 Cosworth were still quite cheap until only a few years ago, I was offered a 2.3 with 100,000 miles which needed some tidying 2 years ago for £3k, looks like I might have messed up there.
Re 190, friends in the E30 M3 cicles of the day were dismissive of its lack of tunability and not as friendly handling. Moot points if you're leaving it standard and like a frisky chassis.
However having never had the pleasure I couldn't tell you about the 2nd point. 1st is accurate to my understanding.
On the Celica, I remember a great super sharp turn in and slick gearbox.
However having never had the pleasure I couldn't tell you about the 2nd point. 1st is accurate to my understanding.
On the Celica, I remember a great super sharp turn in and slick gearbox.
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