The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVII)
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anonymous said:
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Oh, believe me I'm sceptical that the bottom will fall out of values any time soon. It'd take a global recession to make them budge as there's so much money out there (even if most of it isn't real!).Besides, even if the eye watering examples reduced in value by 80-90% (NBL!), most would still be too rich for mortal means.
Diesel Meister said:
Rocket - the 3.3s are comparatively sane. No idea how they compare but if I wanted a 964 tubby and had the cash, I'd likely not bother with the 3.6 at this stage. The latter are completely bananas. 10-12 years back they could be had for under £40k in some cases, iirc.
DM, yep 3.6 values are getting on for double iirc, someone I know recently sold their 50k mile 930 3.3 5 speed for close on £100k so that's what made me question the relative value of this. Not sure how much real world difference between the 3.3 and 3.6 tbh, never found the 3.3 930 turbo lacking in the poke department !Ref price bubble yes it's when not if imo, but brexit talk please no ! came on here to escape....
Diesel Meister said:
We're overdue a correction imo. But then the (relative) have-nots like me would always say that, heh.I think we'll see the end of the recent trend of people getting carried away and paying top dollar for a name e.g. the ropiest Testarossas being snapped up for top dollar.
However, as ever, I think the good examples will continue to attract the money.
ferrisbueller said:
Define correction.
I think we'll see the end of the recent trend of people getting carried away and paying top dollar for a name e.g. the ropiest Testarossas being snapped up for top dollar.
However, as ever, I think the good examples will continue to attract the money.
I think the best examples of desirable cars will command strong money,but in the event of a "correction" (subjectively - less stupidly overpriced sh*t being bought with cheap money), I'd expect (hope) that the extreme slip-streaming of such examples by (i) tattier examples of the same ilk; (ii) upward pressure on other "modern classics" will hopefully lessen!I think we'll see the end of the recent trend of people getting carried away and paying top dollar for a name e.g. the ropiest Testarossas being snapped up for top dollar.
However, as ever, I think the good examples will continue to attract the money.
But I don't fore see massive drops on a scale that will make a 2.7 (or even a 993 / 964) RS possible for me. But I'd take a small discount on the amount I need to steal in order to score something GT3 shaped
Diesel Meister said:
That's the thing - it's relative, which why I think the article was a bit overboard on the enthusiasm. Certain cars engineered and built during the 80s and early 90s (your examples are good but Porsches as well) seemed much more solidly constructed in many ways, even if the tech and choice of available materials has moved on. E34s, E39 etc. may rust a bit but sitting in one they feel better screwed to together and with a greater sense of solid longevity than say, a Z3 / X5. Only been in one Cayenne and it seemed okay if scattered with shiny buttons for my taste. Aside from the fact that it's really not my sort of car at all it seemed to go down the road well enough, even when it turned muddy and rutted. But the real test is what one would be like to live with, or in jumping from a box-fresh example to an older, more tired one, I guess.
Naturally, I caveat that I'm not really qualified to comment as a I don't have first hand experience of the new Panam
Hmm, I have the same issues like you... Our old skip car - a E39 540iT was miles better put together than the X5 4.8iS that replaced it, despite the 4.8iS being the X5 to end all X5 when released and only 7yrs apart. Naturally, I caveat that I'm not really qualified to comment as a I don't have first hand experience of the new Panam
I agree on the real test criteria that you "proposed", but I fear the manufacturers could not give a hoot. They are interested in hooking in the punter with cheap PCP/Lease deals and shifting as many new shiny euroboxes as possible, maintaining the typical 3yrs cycle. What an X5 would look like 5yrs down the line is of very little care to them. Imagine what an unloved 2-series active tourer would look like parked on the street in Thamesmead in 2021... Bleugh!
anonymous said:
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Spartanburg to be precise... It is my understanding that some of them were also build in Mexico. Build quality for the E70 though continues to be rubbish... All X5s are full of Hecho en Mexico labels alongside the usual Germany/USA fafff... cue Richard Hammond's joke about the Mexican supercar 
Diesel Meister said:
Oh I agree - manufacturers are only interested in shifting new units and thus will build cars only to the standard that ensures this aim.
May I disagree - thanks.The value at the end of the pcp term must have some bearing on the pcp deal. And therefore must be of some interest to the manufacturer. If their cars were worthless after 3 years the pcp deal would be prohibitive.
ATM said:
May I disagree - thanks.
The value at the end of the pcp term must have some bearing on the pcp deal. And therefore must be of some interest to the manufacturer. If their cars were worthless after 3 years the pcp deal would be prohibitive.
You may sir, but I don't actually think we are disagreeing (even if I expressed myself crudely, in part due to sneaking on here whilst at work!) The value at the end of the pcp term must have some bearing on the pcp deal. And therefore must be of some interest to the manufacturer. If their cars were worthless after 3 years the pcp deal would be prohibitive.
My point was that cars they sell, need only not harm their ability to sell more cars. This includes (among other things):
- maintaining a reasonable reputation for selling a decent product (i.e. one that does not feel insubstantial or bad value, does not disintegrate during what could be regarded as a reasonable lifespan for that product etc.)
- ensuring that those cars that are sold / leased (and the terms on which they a re sold / leased) don't negatively impact the manufacturer's balance sheet (I'd hope this latter point in particular is implicit in the "not harming their ability to sell more cars" as it's a bit difficult to continue trading if you lose sales due to lack of affordability and/or incur losses on the bulk of your sales).
I now rather fancying an Austin 7 Ruby with Ulster spec running gear. Oh yes.
Something a bit like this
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C758748
Something a bit like this
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C758748
Edited by L100NYY on Monday 4th July 12:13
Quiet isn't it.
Here's some posts;
£50k, but....I would
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-968-Clubsport-UK...
My original Superlight was one of the best cars I have ever owned and they don't come up for sale often
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c...
Went to go look at this stunning SLR but now sold, loved it
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c...
Still fancy a Pumagrale, great cars to drive. Not fast per se but feel special
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Here's some posts;
£50k, but....I would
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-968-Clubsport-UK...
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My original Superlight was one of the best cars I have ever owned and they don't come up for sale often
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c...
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Went to go look at this stunning SLR but now sold, loved it
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c...
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Still fancy a Pumagrale, great cars to drive. Not fast per se but feel special
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
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