RE: BMW i8 vs The Real World
Discussion
hwajones said:
I can think of many, many, many other things I would do with £106,110...
All of them giving a 0-60 option of less than 4.4secs
If you only measure a car by its 0-60 and how much it costs then you have failed if you buy anything then a stripped out track toyAll of them giving a 0-60 option of less than 4.4secs
However
The i8 isn't really comparable to a 911 in the same way as it isn't comparable to a morgan
The only things really on the market close to this price you can compare it with is a Tesla or a VW XL1
erics said:
there will always be nay sayers. I drove one on a few occasions. Once for a weekend. I could not disagree more with Dan Trent.
The only thing I would agree is that it is not a track car.
Otherwise, it is an exilarating car to own. Not necessarily for the performance, but as a whole package.
The review is extremely short sighted and a contrast to the dozens of other reviews from more experienced / respected journalists.
MIAOW!The only thing I would agree is that it is not a track car.
Otherwise, it is an exilarating car to own. Not necessarily for the performance, but as a whole package.
The review is extremely short sighted and a contrast to the dozens of other reviews from more experienced / respected journalists.
GingerMunky said:
I think the really test for these electric cars will come in a few years, when batteries need to be changed and the costs associated give people a different view on cost of ownership. It will also be interesting how the second hand market will price the issue of battery condition / replacement.
- How many years down the line will that be?
- What will the cost be?
- How far will battery technology have advanced by then?
- How many non-electric cars of the same age will still be around?
FlossyThePig said:
GingerMunky said:
I think the really test for these electric cars will come in a few years, when batteries need to be changed and the costs associated give people a different view on cost of ownership. It will also be interesting how the second hand market will price the issue of battery condition / replacement.
- How many years down the line will that be?
- What will the cost be?
It's resin transfer moulding for volume carbon production method isn't it, rather than uber low volume pre preg cloth layup where you can visible aligned the top layer to look nice. It's the shut line to be fair as a material in its proper use rather than a cosmetic part.
Edited by JonnyVTEC on Monday 19th January 21:03
errek72 said:
KTF said:
Maybe its just me but I would expect the weave on carbon fibre to me all going the same way on such a visible piece given the cost of the car?
Wow. So that's what premium looks like huh?see: http://www.engadget.com/gallery/bmw-i3-cutaway-and...
The car itself was good and felt very zippy yet relaxing to drive. I want one but the price didn't seem right.
I believe I would feel the same way about the i8 - it's a spectacular car but £100k for a car with a tuned Mini 3-cylinder... no thanks - not yet.
//edit: found something: https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
Edited by EricE on Monday 19th January 19:38
errek72 said:
Between 4 to 9 years. Mercedes had a limited run A-class some years ago. The cost for replacement for those was 9000 euro. Well over residual value so after some years the car becomes a total-loss by default. A Prius battery is warranted for 8-10 years depending on market. Prices of full battery replacement seems to vary between 2500 and 8000 euro depending on the market.
10 years isn't far off the average lifespan of an ICE powered car anyway. erics said:
chelme said:
You sold an Aston Martin V12 Vantage, for one of these????
Yup and I have extensive experience of the v12, having driven it to Spa and other nice places.Check my profile, some of my cars are there, so i think i have an informed opinion on what is a nice sports car or not.
It's interesting that Dan found the car to be "odd" when driven towards or over the limit, ie at loads that result in a non linear response. This is very typical of 4wd cars which can heavily bias torque to one end of the car or other. In fact, cars like this can force you to change how you drive as a result. Back in the early 2000's when i wax writing control code and developing the fully "active" transmissions for WRC, we found that initally drivers would struggle with a heavily driven front axle, and even more so when the amount it was driven could be varied a lot. In effect, although the car may feel like a rwd car initally, it needs to be driven much more like a fwd one when traction is lost. IE, much less opposite lock, much more throttle input. This is because although the system can shuffle drive torque backwards and forwards, it, generally doesn't ever exceed the torque the driver is requesting. As such you need to avoid putting in opposite lock and lifting the throttle! Back in the day, even the best WRC drivers took a while to learn to steer where they wanted the car to go, rely on the electronics to do their thing and the car would gather itself up nicely. If you just banged in a load of oppo, the car would look at the handwheel angle and assume you wanted to go that>>>>>>> way!
mwstewart said:
In order to help you I've made the salient point bold in my original post.
- sigh* so you're argument is that manufacturers shouldn't make EVs because they do not suit the UK?
Dave Hedgehog said:
This is so vastly more desirable to me than anything Tesla makes. And its only V1.0 of this tech, i am sure BMW will improve it over time.
I would happily commute to london in one every day
Drove a tesla p85 at the start of January in Norway,where it is affordable thanks to government subsidy and tax breaks for electric vehicles, and was at a launch em vent for the i8. On interior style alone the tesla wins hands down. Pushed the tesla and i oversteered due I suspect to the weight.I would happily commute to london in one every day
Would seem like someone needs to do a comparison test!
only1ian said:
Drove a tesla p85 at the start of January in Norway,where it is affordable thanks to government subsidy and tax breaks for electric vehicles, and was at a launch em vent for the i8.
It's not just affordable, it's the best selling car in Norway! (Not sure if it still is)http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-is-still-a-b...
samoht said:
~50mpg out of town is really unimpressive to me, considering an E-class diesel gets the same and is much more capacious. I get that it's great for short urban journeys, but I'd expect more overall somehow.
If it's not that economical, and it's not that sporty, it seems like it has only the cool factor to fall back on.
An E-class diesel is fabulous if you want to travel without noticing you're moving. The i8 is in rather a different market segment and can almost keep up with a BMW M4 on track. It's quick, but from what I've read doesn't have that last bit of fun and control that its more basic hard-core peers have. However, for 90% of drivers in general, that won't matter.If it's not that economical, and it's not that sporty, it seems like it has only the cool factor to fall back on.
A friend of mine has one on order to replace his RS4. He does a commute in town, but quite often blasts out to see clients. For that, this will be a wonderful car.
danp said:
It's not just affordable, it's the best selling car in Norway! (Not sure if it still is)
http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-is-still-a-b...
Isn't that a fair bit of hypocrisy from a country that got rich by selling oil?http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-is-still-a-b...
I spent a bit of time looking at the back and it is true once you see the birth of the porsche 911 it's all you can see it's brilliant the more you look the more detail you see like the Porsches rear lights starting to emerge from the i8 dilated birth hole . Well done who noticed that . Still laughing . Overall I like it not my cup of tea I would want more engine for my money but I am not down with the kids . I like all the alternative fuels means there will always be petrol for us who need it for fix
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