RE: BMW i8 vs The Real World
Discussion
I guess in some ways it's quite technically clever but it seems another of those cars where the initial headlines are really good (100+mpg + super car performance) but the reality to me is, is it really going to be worth stepping out of something like a 911 for?
Ok the 911 won't do amazing mpg but these days I think they offer fairly respectable economy on a motorway cruise and the i8 seems to need a whole lot of 'carefulness' to get good mpg. Would a 911 with the same delicate foot offer pretty good mpg too? (relatively)
When you look at the faff and additional technology just to get the thing to move, I don't see any 'real world' benefit from a conventional modern supercar.
I'm not against technology as such but it does seem marketing and advertising paint one picture and the reality of what it would be like during ownership would be quite different.
Ok the 911 won't do amazing mpg but these days I think they offer fairly respectable economy on a motorway cruise and the i8 seems to need a whole lot of 'carefulness' to get good mpg. Would a 911 with the same delicate foot offer pretty good mpg too? (relatively)
When you look at the faff and additional technology just to get the thing to move, I don't see any 'real world' benefit from a conventional modern supercar.
I'm not against technology as such but it does seem marketing and advertising paint one picture and the reality of what it would be like during ownership would be quite different.
So where do you put the luggage? I believe most owners will have this as a 2nd 3rd or 4th car and will be used for limited miles. Maybe used for the weekend away with the wife/secretary/P.A. but you still need to take an overnight bag.
I have not fallen in love with this car and at over £100,000 i'm oooot!
I have not fallen in love with this car and at over £100,000 i'm oooot!
garypotter said:
will be used for limited miles. Maybe used for the weekend away with the wife/secretary/P.A. but you still need to take an overnight bag.
its far too stand out to use for a weekend away with some that's not the missus ... at the moment those journeys are better left to short term hire cars ... or so I hear lol
erics said:
chelme said:
Well done erics...good move.
An aston v12 v costs 5-6k a year to run including warranty renewal. It rattles like a pig (dashboard mainly), is far from pleasant on long trips like the one to spa for example. It is too heavy for track work.The i8 will be a different experience.
Fire99 said:
When you look at the faff and additional technology just to get the thing to move, I don't see any 'real world' benefit from a conventional modern supercar.
General cost of ownership is one of them. Keeping anything from a ferrari / aston / mclaren cost a bomb in maintenance and fuel and warranty renewal on a yearly basis. Think £5-6k vs barely £1k.But that is just a small part of the whole thing. The driving experience is fairly different to anything i have ever driven before.
ORD said:
davea18h said:
Felt compelled to write in on this one, especially after the fuel figures which I've seen before.
This car is supposed to be all things.... ie looks, performance and fantastic mpg, with the mpg being the deciding factor as you could have both a sports car of considerable performance and great fuel consumption and free congestion charging to boot if you're in fashionable London!
I think it looks great, has the technology, carbon fibre etc, engine and hybrid technology seems to be great on paper....
But you can get all this for half the price with an Alpina BMW diesel. In some respects BMW should be taken to court over their wildly inaccurate claims of fuel consumption and would be a great test case against other manufacturers making wild claims with regards fuel consumption.
Just a final note... what if Alpina had the i8 and put one of it's sports diesel engines in it? All that lightness and performance would make a formidable machine!
A 3 litre diesel engine is not going to fit or keep the car light.This car is supposed to be all things.... ie looks, performance and fantastic mpg, with the mpg being the deciding factor as you could have both a sports car of considerable performance and great fuel consumption and free congestion charging to boot if you're in fashionable London!
I think it looks great, has the technology, carbon fibre etc, engine and hybrid technology seems to be great on paper....
But you can get all this for half the price with an Alpina BMW diesel. In some respects BMW should be taken to court over their wildly inaccurate claims of fuel consumption and would be a great test case against other manufacturers making wild claims with regards fuel consumption.
Just a final note... what if Alpina had the i8 and put one of it's sports diesel engines in it? All that lightness and performance would make a formidable machine!
Taking BMW to court for posting the (correct) official figures that everyone knows don't reflect real world driving? Get real. It's amazing how easily people will throw around allegations of dishonesty. BMW simply publishes the figures that it is required to publish following from tests that it is required to do.
EricE said:
Looks just like the frame of the i3 that I had for a few days. As a layman I would not have been able to identify that material as carbon fiber. Even on the i3 it looked a bit cheap because the material seemed fairly soft and had a lot of scruff marks on the door sill.
see: http://www.engadget.com/gallery/bmw-i3-cutaway-and...
The car itself was good and felt very zippy yet relaxing to drive. I want one but the price didn't seem right.
I believe I would feel the same way about the i8 - it's a spectacular car but £100k for a car with a tuned Mini 3-cylinder... no thanks - not yet.
//edit: found something: https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
Obviously hand knitted by some aged frau's who dropped a few stitches in a care home in Bavaria......see: http://www.engadget.com/gallery/bmw-i3-cutaway-and...
The car itself was good and felt very zippy yet relaxing to drive. I want one but the price didn't seem right.
I believe I would feel the same way about the i8 - it's a spectacular car but £100k for a car with a tuned Mini 3-cylinder... no thanks - not yet.
//edit: found something: https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
Edited by EricE on Monday 19th January 19:38
davea18h said:
The Alpina thing was purely hypothetical. As for the fuel stats, the average car tested is (approx)anything from 15% to 25% out on average. The BMW is (roughly speaking) 50% to 60% out which is a considerable amount, and probably in the real world, absolutely unobtainable. The point being that manufacturers should be giving more real world figures. As for the performance diesel Alpinas, read the write ups to check on real world performance and average fuel consumption. Steve Sutcliffe recent road tests in Autocar for example. And no they aren't made of carbon fibre, more's the pity. It's a comparison, if it hit 90 to 100 to gallon instaed of the 130 odd I'd be impressed. All that technology, engine downsizing, hybrid, carbon fibre almost seems a waste, except you could argue it's the first of it's kind etc etc. I do think it looks fab inside and out, the technology is fantastic and I love it. But it's supposed to be all things and clearly isn't!
If you use the car for short journeys and charge it, then you will easily achieve the claimed figures.love the way this is going.
Until the Government realise getting emissions lower mean people use less fuel and that they get less revenue.
0-60 in the 4's and 100+mpg ? yes please all day long and twice on sundays.
If you could get that in a more practical car, and at a third of the price id be in lol
Until the Government realise getting emissions lower mean people use less fuel and that they get less revenue.
0-60 in the 4's and 100+mpg ? yes please all day long and twice on sundays.
If you could get that in a more practical car, and at a third of the price id be in lol
Not really sure about all of this but was in Norway recently and the place seemed to be awash with Teslas (at least I think that was what they were) colleague said they were the best selling premium car or something like that because of tax breaks etc. Saw one next to those hideous little Gee Whizz things and wow have EVs made a bit of progress.
Could easily see an EV sharing the garage with the wifes fuel glugging BMW once one comes along I actually like (I like the little BMW but that rough sounding extra engine (isn't it a scooter engine made in Thailand or something?) doesn't appeal and I sometimes have to do longer trips)
Could easily see an EV sharing the garage with the wifes fuel glugging BMW once one comes along I actually like (I like the little BMW but that rough sounding extra engine (isn't it a scooter engine made in Thailand or something?) doesn't appeal and I sometimes have to do longer trips)
Pixelpeep7r said:
0-60 in the 4's and 100+mpg ? yes please all day long and twice on sundays.
If you could get that in a more practical car, and at a third of the price id be in lol
You won;t get it for a third of the price - that's only 320D money - but I imagine in fairly short order there will be something like an i5 or i6 which will do that sort of job, to compete with the new mid range Tesla.If you could get that in a more practical car, and at a third of the price id be in lol
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