Another cyclist dies in London
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The thread which just keeps on giving 
bobmoore said:
saaby93 said:
Thanks for quoting half what I said, then arguing something I hadnt done.
If youre really trying to improve safety there's no point point making up half truths, step back a bit and work out what's actually happening
Sorry, you said he could have used the cycle lane. He couldn't. It was closed:If youre really trying to improve safety there's no point point making up half truths, step back a bit and work out what's actually happening
and besides I'm probably one of the last people to say someone 'should' if you mean must use a cycle lane.He should have been safe to use the road
Due to my recent thread on here when overtaking cyclists I have been giving them practically a whole lanes worth of room. I say practically because it is not always totally practical to give a whole lanes worth, but I give them a huge amount of room.
Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
twoblacklines said:
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later.
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.twoblacklines said:
Due to my recent thread on here when overtaking cyclists I have been giving them practically a whole lanes worth of room. I say practically because it is not always totally practical to give a whole lanes worth, but I give them a huge amount of room.
Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
1. You have to start somewhere. You don't need to overdo it btw.Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
2. The word "vulnerable" should explain that one
3. Some cyclists are total morons, and then they get in their car, walk on the pavement, post on PH, etc...
Vacumatic said:
lived in London for a few years, used to wait at bus stop next to a busy junction, every cyclist went through the junction on red lights, ran into the sides of trucks and cars. Used to walk across zebra crossings and cyclists never stopped, bouncing off pedestrians and riding off.
I was hit by a cyclist whilst crossing a road as a pedestrian, the cyclist blamed me for crossing the road.
Still the case here with cyclists and trucks. Worse with buses. A few get stuck behind a bus. Bus pulls off from bus stop and corrects steering so cyclist is stuck in blind spot. Last month same situation but I had indicated to go around the bus. Cyclist comes blasting down and tries to squeeze between me and bus. He punches my car. I continue then a few miles later comes up from behind and bangs hand down on my boot lid then flips me the bird. Gave footage to police from dash cam. Went to a magistrates court and they did him for dangerous cycling. I have nothing against cyclists but we all share the road. So if I don't drive recklessly you shouldn't cycle like that. I was hit by a cyclist whilst crossing a road as a pedestrian, the cyclist blamed me for crossing the road.
Super_G said:
Still the case here with cyclists and trucks. Worse with buses. A few get stuck behind a bus. Bus pulls off from bus stop and corrects steering so cyclist is stuck in blind spot. Last month same situation but I had indicated to go around the bus. Cyclist comes blasting down and tries to squeeze between me and bus. He punches my car. I continue then a few miles later comes up from behind and bangs hand down on my boot lid then flips me the bird. Gave footage to police from dash cam. Went to a magistrates court and they did him for dangerous cycling. I have nothing against cyclists but we all share the road. So if I don't drive recklessly you shouldn't cycle like that.
How did they know who the rider was out of interest?Mave said:
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.
Control is ironic given that a lot of these sunday riders don't have brakes.Super_G said:
Still the case here with cyclists and trucks. Worse with buses. A few get stuck behind a bus. Bus pulls off from bus stop and corrects steering so cyclist is stuck in blind spot. Last month same situation but I had indicated to go around the bus. Cyclist comes blasting down and tries to squeeze between me and bus. He punches my car. I continue then a few miles later comes up from behind and bangs hand down on my boot lid then flips me the bird. Gave footage to police from dash cam. Went to a magistrates court and they did him for dangerous cycling. I have nothing against cyclists but we all share the road. So if I don't drive recklessly you shouldn't cycle like that.
How did they catch him? Cyclists have no numberplates etc?twoblacklines said:
Mave said:
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.
Control is ironic given that a lot of these sunday riders don't have brakes.b) What has brakes got to do with physics? WRT to weight of item and speed and how close you are likely to accept before it becomes an issue?
twoblacklines said:
Mave said:
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.
Control is ironic given that a lot of these sunday riders don't have brakes.Mave said:
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.
So if someone opens a car door in front of them, a cyclist doing maybe 10-12mph is at no more risk of serious injury than a pedestrian? twoblacklines said:
Due to my recent thread on here when overtaking cyclists I have been giving them practically a whole lanes worth of room. I say practically because it is not always totally practical to give a whole lanes worth, but I give them a huge amount of room.
Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
Good, keep on doing it Some things I have observed doing this
1. No one else does. Including so far, 3 police cars without sirens or lights on, 2 ambulances and one fire truck.
2. The same cyclist who actually thumbed-up me when I gave him all that room in comparison to everyone else, undertook everyone by riding down the left side of their cars, not leaving a whole lanes worth of room but rather a few CM of room between himself and a few car mirrors, at temporary traffic lights about a mile later. Do these rules (overtaking requiring you leave a whole lane or car width gap) only actually apply to cars and not cyclists using the roads? It seems pretty hypocritical that you should have your license revoked (one of the lighter suggestions here) not leaving a massive gap when overtaking when they don't.
3. Some cyclists believe that pavements are purely for their benefit and that pedestrians either should walk on the road or maybe not exist at all.
Yes, I can now truly see why so many cyclists die. Ignorance kills.
Why do cyclists filter? It's all to do with physics and mass.
Your car creates a vortex at speed, the displaced air can suck a cyclist further into the road, it's not nice.
You hit a cyclist doing 60 the force involved is something like 2000 kg x 26.5ms x 0.5s = 211200N
A cyclist hits you doing 15MPH filtering the force involved is something like 120kg x 6.6m/s x 0.5s = 3360N
Now I'm pretty s
t at maths but even I can see the difference in the forces involved. Mr2Mike said:
Mave said:
It's a question of size, mass, and control. The same reason you're probably fairly comfortable walking very close to parked cars, but less comfortable having the same cars pass you at 40mph at the same distance.
So if someone opens a car door in front of them, a cyclist doing maybe 10-12mph is at no more risk of serious injury than a pedestrian? WinstonWolf said:
Good, keep on doing it
Why do cyclists filter? It's all to do with physics and mass.
Your car creates a vortex at speed, the displaced air can suck a cyclist further into the road, it's not nice.
You hit a cyclist doing 60 the force involved is something like 2000 kg x 26.5ms x 0.5s = 211200N
A cyclist hits you doing 15MPH filtering the force involved is something like 120kg x 6.6m/s x 0.5s = 3360N
Now I'm pretty st at maths but even I can see the difference in the forces involved.
And what N is required to kill someone? I bet it is much less than 3360N. Why do cyclists filter? It's all to do with physics and mass.
Your car creates a vortex at speed, the displaced air can suck a cyclist further into the road, it's not nice.
You hit a cyclist doing 60 the force involved is something like 2000 kg x 26.5ms x 0.5s = 211200N
A cyclist hits you doing 15MPH filtering the force involved is something like 120kg x 6.6m/s x 0.5s = 3360N
Now I'm pretty s
t at maths but even I can see the difference in the forces involved. I am pretty s
t at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.Edited by twoblacklines on Monday 20th February 13:03
Edited by twoblacklines on Monday 20th February 13:05
twoblacklines said:
And what N is required to kill someone? I bet it is much less than 3360N.
I am pretty st at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.
And I wish we could ban the drivers who are too sI am pretty s
t at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.t to cope with cyclists.You're right, and the cyclist in the UK ('cos I'm sure drivers in neighbouring countries aren't so vastly challenged by cyclists) just can not win, and it's why I don't cycle or motor cycle.
So I'll use my car instead, and contribute to the gross congestion, 30+ hours delay per annum, to the £30 billion in losses due to the congestion, to the air quality, and so on. http://news.sky.com/story/uk-is-third-most-traffic...
How strange that a considerable number of people who do that will go on and on and on about cyclists. Doesn't make a scrap of sense.
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