Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
twoblacklines said:
And what N is required to kill someone? I bet it is much less than 3360N.
I am pretty s
t at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.
And I wish we could ban the drivers who are too sI am pretty s
t at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.t to cope with cyclists.You're right, and the cyclist in the UK ('cos I'm sure drivers in neighbouring countries aren't so vastly challenged by cyclists) just can not win, and it's why I don't cycle or motor cycle.
So I'll use my car instead, and contribute to the gross congestion, 30+ hours delay per annum, to the £30 billion in losses due to the congestion, to the air quality, and so on. http://news.sky.com/story/uk-is-third-most-traffic...
How strange that a considerable number of people who do that will go on and on and on about cyclists. Doesn't make a scrap of sense.
heebeegeetee said:
twoblacklines said:
And what N is required to kill someone? I bet it is much less than 3360N.
I am pretty st at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.
And I wish we could ban the drivers who are too sI am pretty s
t at maths and I have little common sense but even I can see that riders are endangering themselves by filtering.t to cope with cyclists.You're right, and the cyclist in the UK ('cos I'm sure drivers in neighbouring countries aren't so vastly challenged by cyclists) just can not win, and it's why I don't cycle or motor cycle.
So I'll use my car instead, and contribute to the gross congestion, 30+ hours delay per annum, to the £30 billion in losses due to the congestion, to the air quality, and so on. http://news.sky.com/story/uk-is-third-most-traffic...
How strange that a considerable number of people who do that will go on and on and on about cyclists. Doesn't make a scrap of sense.
Idiot cyclist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3105559/Ca...
If this were reversed and the car hit the cyclist at the same speed differential.
the cyclist would be dead.
this is the point many are trying to make.
If a cyclist makes a mistake and hits a car, he gets hurt
If a driver makes a mistake and hits a cyclist, he doesn't get hurt; but the cyclist risks being killed.
car drivers cause more damage than cyclists with their mistakes, this means they have greater responsibility to keep vulnerable road users safe.
Idiot driver
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3917334/Dr...
Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 20th February 14:12
SystemParanoia said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3105559/Ca...
If this were reversed and the car hit the cyclist at the same speed differential.
the cyclist would be dead.
this is the point many are trying to make.
If a cyclist makes a mistake and hits a car, he gets hurt
If a driver makes a mistake and hits a cyclist, he doesn't get hurt; but the cyclist risks being killed.
car drivers cause more damage than cyclists with their mistakes, this means they have greater responsibility to keep vulnerable road users safe.
Idiot driver
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3917334/Dr...
The first clip, true that in this case the cyclist is relatively unhurt. But a Time Trialist in Dorset, I think, hit a car that had stopped in the carriageway, and he was killed. No question that in this case the cyclist is entirely at fault. Probably engrossed in his GPS, head down pedaling hard. There's no excuse, as he had a great deal of time to look up and spot the parked car. If this were reversed and the car hit the cyclist at the same speed differential.
the cyclist would be dead.
this is the point many are trying to make.
If a cyclist makes a mistake and hits a car, he gets hurt
If a driver makes a mistake and hits a cyclist, he doesn't get hurt; but the cyclist risks being killed.
car drivers cause more damage than cyclists with their mistakes, this means they have greater responsibility to keep vulnerable road users safe.
Idiot driver
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3917334/Dr...
The second video? That has happened to me. In my case it was at 14mph (my speed) and the van that hit me probably wasn't going that much faster. That ended with a visit from the local Air Ambulance, a trip to A&E with a broken shoulder blade, and five months recovery time. And I still have aches and twinges in that shoulder despite the best efforts of a good physiotherapist. The driver's insurance company also paid me £14,000. But who do you think ends up paying the bill in the end? Us. All of us that pay tax anyway. We paid for the air ambulance through donations, for the paramedics and road ambulance, and the police officers, through taxes. The treatment in A&E was funded out of the finite budget of the hospital trust. And my payout, and the months of physio I endured was all paid for from insurance that we all pay and which goes up when expensive claims have to be paid out. Hell, you (we) even paid my solicitor's bill for me. The road (the A30, Basingstoke to Camberley stretch)was closed too, causing big delays, costing people both directly and indirectly in terms of appointments missed and customers not getting to businesses. I dread to think what the final 'bill' would have been as a consequence of one d
head either not seeing me (as he claimed) or simply seeing me and chancing his arm that he'd be clear before I got there. It frequently happens that I look at a car waiting to turn out of a side road, or to join a roundabout ahead of me, and there's no eye contact at all. Just yesterday I saw a woman scan the road but her eyes never settled on me, and there was no 'pause of recognition'. All I'd ask is for drivers to give me some space when passing me, and to look AND LOOK AGAIN when turning into any road from a junction. It might cost you a second, but what price NOT having your car impounded by a police investigation team and being interviewed under caution?
The worst overtakes (close passes) are the ones where half a dozen cars either side of the close-passing d
head have given me plenty of room, and proved it to be both safe and convenient to do so. Then one or two idiots seem to drive as close as possible to prove some bizarre point. Just move out, over the white line if necessary. And bloody indicate while you do it too. You know, just so following drivers have at least some vague idea that I might be there to steer around.I cannot understand that people on here have issue with bikes filtering. If it's heavy traffic in or out of a shared cycle Lane I would slow to about a half or a third of my normal speed. If I'm very close to mirrors etc I'll slow right down.
In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
rambo19 said:
Lived and worked in london for years.
Sadly, cyclists will keep dying because of the way they ride.
But not in the numbers that car occupants do, nor at the rate of pedestrians or motorcyclists.Sadly, cyclists will keep dying because of the way they ride.
Sadly, drivers will keep killing and injuring others because of the way they drive.
shost said:
I cannot understand that people on here have issue with bikes filtering. If it's heavy traffic in or out of a shared cycle Lane I would slow to about a half or a third of my normal speed. If I'm very close to mirrors etc I'll slow right down.
In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
Next time they knock off your wing mirrors by accident then just ride off with no consequences (cos no number plates to report them with) you might understand why filtering sucks.In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
Or in some cases I have had a little bang and looked over and cyclist is leaning on my car at the front of the traffic lights. How lovely.
twoblacklines said:
shost said:
I cannot understand that people on here have issue with bikes filtering. If it's heavy traffic in or out of a shared cycle Lane I would slow to about a half or a third of my normal speed. If I'm very close to mirrors etc I'll slow right down.
In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
Next time they knock off your wing mirrors by accident then just ride off with no consequences (cos no number plates to report them with) you might understand why filtering sucks.In the car I'll give a cyclist more room the faster I'm going. The speed differential is what's most worrying. Especially worrying are those who don't use opposite carriageway when it's totally clear of upcoming traffic to allow the safest overtake. Like they don't know how wide their vehicle is.
To me it's common sense. But I fear too many on here lacking let alone the general public.
Or in some cases I have had a little bang and looked over and cyclist is leaning on my car at the front of the traffic lights. How lovely.
SystemParanoia said:
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
0 <----- yes Zero
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes again Zero
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?0 <----- yes Zero
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes again Zero
1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
Mr Snrub said:
popeyewhite said:
heebeegeetee said:
But not in the numbers that car occupants do, nor at the rate of pedestrians or motorcyclists.
I'd also like him to supply the figures that show more car occupants were killed in the same area of central London as the spate of cyclists killed in the last few weeks.
mygoldfishbowl said:
I'd also like him to supply the figures that show more car occupants were killed in the same area of central London as the spate of cyclists killed in the last few weeks.
Well how's this then?https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2...
I posted it before but it was denounced by one of you dinosaurs as "something about motorcyclists".
My comment was in response to
rambo19 said:
Lived and worked in london for years.
Sadly, cyclists will keep dying because of the way they ride.
and yes they will, of course they will as will all road user groups.Sadly, cyclists will keep dying because of the way they ride.
But they're just not dying in the numbers or rates as other road users, it seems.
Mr Snrub said:
popeyewhite said:
heebeegeetee said:
But not in the numbers that car occupants do, nor at the rate of pedestrians or motorcyclists.
mygoldfishbowl said:
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
And my statistics - 1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
0 <----- yes Zero
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes again Zero
and for balance
How many motorists have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
3<----yes Three
How many pedestrians have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
10+<--- yes, more than 10
Mave said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
And my statistics - 1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
0 <----- yes Zero
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes again Zero
and for balance
How many motorists have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
3<----yes Three
How many pedestrians have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
10+<--- yes, more than 10
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