Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
pc.iow said:
Mave said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
And my statistics - 1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
0 <----- yes Zero
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes again Zero
and for balance
How many motorists have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
3<----yes Three
How many pedestrians have knocked mirrors off my car(s)?
10+<--- yes, more than 10
mygoldfishbowl said:
How many mirrors have cyclist knocked off my car(s)?
1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE4FkXBCMqk1 <----- yes one
how many have I knocked off while filtering ?
0 <---- yes Zero because I'm not stupid enough to ride on busy streets.
was this you ?
budgie smuggler said:
Love it, well done girl.Filtering and riding in traffic is easy when done right, it's quite simple.
It boils down to a few key skills which are easy to master.
Be in a gear that enables a swift change of pace (unless bearded fixie hipster).
Spacial awareness; car drivers have for less all around visibility than cyclists, there's no pillars or door frame, no seat belt and a nicely elevated position that allows you to see beyond just the vehicle behind/ahead (unless bearded real ale drinking recumbent hipster).
Eye Contact, if you're going to change from kerb to lane splitting, make eye contact with the driver you are passing in front of, then signal; you know they've seen you and you have told them where you are going. (unless blind deathwishing, headphone wearing, non shoulder checking blinkered hipster).
It's no different to driving really, be aware of traffic around you, make sure you are seen, signal your intention.
It boils down to a few key skills which are easy to master.
Be in a gear that enables a swift change of pace (unless bearded fixie hipster).
Spacial awareness; car drivers have for less all around visibility than cyclists, there's no pillars or door frame, no seat belt and a nicely elevated position that allows you to see beyond just the vehicle behind/ahead (unless bearded real ale drinking recumbent hipster).
Eye Contact, if you're going to change from kerb to lane splitting, make eye contact with the driver you are passing in front of, then signal; you know they've seen you and you have told them where you are going. (unless blind deathwishing, headphone wearing, non shoulder checking blinkered hipster).
It's no different to driving really, be aware of traffic around you, make sure you are seen, signal your intention.
Edited by JustinF on Thursday 23 February 00:17
Mave said:
Because I used to live on a road between 2, yes TWO student friendly pubs. Come freshers week and it wasn't unusual to go down to my car in the morning to find traffic cones on the roof / bonnet, footmarks on the roof / bonnet, and wing mirrors dangling by their cables.
That sounds horrible, personally i'd find somewhere else to park that weekVipers said:
budgie smuggler said:
Love it, well done girl.Wont say anything about the language they are using.
Fake!!
Du1point8 said:
Looks like a viral campaign and nothing more, motor bike staying behind for so long "just in the right place" to catch the footage. The van that parks in a location that means she can catch up and of course the best one is that she is able to rip the mirror off that easily.
Wont say anything about the language they are using.
Fake!!
And what exactly is this campaign in aid of? Wont say anything about the language they are using.
Fake!!
heebeegeetee said:
But not in the numbers that car occupants do, nor at the rate of pedestrians or motorcyclists.
Sadly, drivers will keep killing and injuring others because of the way they drive.
Given that defensive riding and personal safety/responsibility appear to be alien concepts for many cyclists, the fact that they aren't dying in larger numbers must mean that the majority of other road users are actually showing a reasonable level of care.Sadly, drivers will keep killing and injuring others because of the way they drive.
Mr2Mike said:
Given that defensive riding and personal safety/responsibility appear to be alien concepts for many cyclists, the fact that they aren't dying in larger numbers must mean that the majority of other road users are actually showing a reasonable level of care.
Bloody hell, that needs quoting for posterity.How do you explain pedestrians (which we all are at times) consistently having higher casualty rates and motorbikers being off the scale? Because they're showing a reasonable level of care?
That link to casualties in London I posted. Number of your other road users being killed or seriously injured? A couple of thousand. Number of cyclists killed? Nine.
The figures suggest that when we're pedestrians our personal safety/responsibility appears to be even more alien.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Thursday 23 February 16:25
Mr2Mike said:
Given that defensive riding and personal safety/responsibility appear to be alien concepts for many cyclists, the fact that they aren't dying in larger numbers must mean that the majority of other road users are actually showing a reasonable level of care.
It's actually an unreasonable level of care. As we have to go above and beyond to cater for the t**ts. Had one on Camberwell New Road just 3 days ago. Queue of traffic the opposite way, I'm travelling along when a cyclist shoots out across my path from between two vehicles in the queue causing me to slam on to avoid him and he then flips me a finger as he cycles up and along the pavement in the opposite direction ..... I just can't believe there are people out there who think that's sensible, but then you don't need an IQ test to ride a bike .. or any form of test actually!cb1965 said:
It's actually an unreasonable level of care. As we have to go above and beyond to cater for the t**ts. Had one on Camberwell New Road just 3 days ago. Queue of traffic the opposite way, I'm travelling along when a cyclist shoots out across my path from between two vehicles in the queue causing me to slam on to avoid him and he then flips me a finger as he cycles up and along the pavement in the opposite direction ..... I just can't believe there are people out there who think that's sensible, but then you don't need an IQ test to ride a bike .. or any form of test actually!
What exactly is the point you're making here? boo hoo i have to pay attention because some people ride like aresholes? of course they do, some people are selfish idiots.I could give you a million similar stories about drivers.
Last night I was driving past a long queue on the other side of the road and had to do an emergency stop when some dick splash decides to pull out in front of me to do a three point turn without bothering to look.
on Tuesday I witnessed 5 or 6 cars drive down the pavement to get round a bin lorry that was loading up rather than waiting 30 seconds. Even better is that it was near a school and a 'walking bus' (15 or so kids and a couple of parents) were made to wait while the selfish dickwads did so. Even better again, one of the selfish pricks drove over a bag of recycling and left it strewn across the road for somebody else to pick up.
about two weeks ago I had to drive up onto the middle of a roundabout to avoid a 7.5 tonner that straight lined the roundabout
Oh wait no of course, those things literally NEVER happen because the drivers are such perfect behaving, highly qualified individuals. Nor do 2 or 3 vehicles jump the red lights at the Nevendon roundabout every single time it goes red. Oh no.
I'm so f
king tired of reading your ste budgie smuggler said:
What exactly is the point you're making here? boo hoo i have to pay attention because some people ride like aresholes? of course they do, some people are selfish idiots.
I could give you a million similar stories about drivers.
Last night I was driving past a long queue on the other side of the road and had to do an emergency stop when some dick splash decides to pull out in front of me to do a three point turn without bothering to look.
on Tuesday I witnessed 5 or 6 cars drive down the pavement to get round a bin lorry that was loading up rather than waiting 30 seconds. Even better is that it was near a school and a 'walking bus' (15 or so kids and a couple of parents) were made to wait while the selfish dickwads did so. Even better again, one of the selfish pricks drove over a bag of recycling and left it strewn across the road for somebody else to pick up.
about two weeks ago I had to drive up onto the middle of a roundabout to avoid a 7.5 tonner that straight lined the roundabout
Oh wait no of course, those things literally NEVER happen because the drivers are such perfect behaving, highly qualified individuals. Nor do 2 or 3 vehicles jump the red lights at the Nevendon roundabout every single time it goes red. Oh no.
I'm so fking tired of reading your ste
Some drivers are idiots, but proportionally in London a lot more cyclists are idiots and generally stand to get a lot more injured by being so (something people like you cannot get through your head for reasons the forum posting rules prevent me from describing).I could give you a million similar stories about drivers.
Last night I was driving past a long queue on the other side of the road and had to do an emergency stop when some dick splash decides to pull out in front of me to do a three point turn without bothering to look.
on Tuesday I witnessed 5 or 6 cars drive down the pavement to get round a bin lorry that was loading up rather than waiting 30 seconds. Even better is that it was near a school and a 'walking bus' (15 or so kids and a couple of parents) were made to wait while the selfish dickwads did so. Even better again, one of the selfish pricks drove over a bag of recycling and left it strewn across the road for somebody else to pick up.
about two weeks ago I had to drive up onto the middle of a roundabout to avoid a 7.5 tonner that straight lined the roundabout
Oh wait no of course, those things literally NEVER happen because the drivers are such perfect behaving, highly qualified individuals. Nor do 2 or 3 vehicles jump the red lights at the Nevendon roundabout every single time it goes red. Oh no.
I'm so f
king tired of reading your ste BTW if you are so ****ing tired of reading my posts just don't. How easy is that? Probably so easy even you can manage it..maybe!
Oh and just to spell it out I think a lot of cyclists are thick as p1gs
t, the evidence is there to see and it is just as well there is no test for them as I doubt many of them have the brain capacity to pass one!Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th February 10:51
cb1965 said:
Some drivers are idiots, but proportionally in London a lot more cyclists are idiots
No, I disagree with that. Where's the evidence? cb1965 said:
and generally stand to get a lot more injured by being so
So that's their lookout isn't it? cb1965 said:
BTW if you are so ****ing tired of reading my posts just don't. How easy is that? Probably so easy even you can manage it..maybe!
I'd rather you stopped posting because somebody might read your posts and think they are true, thus further antagonising the relationship between cyclists and drivers.cb1965 said:
Oh and just to spell it out I think a lot of cyclists are thick as p1gst, the evidence is there to see and it is just as well there is no test for them as I doubt many of them have the brain capacity to pass one!
Two points here:t, the evidence is there to see and it is just as well there is no test for them as I doubt many of them have the brain capacity to pass one!1 Over 80% of cyclists hold a driving license
2 I gave several examples in my previous post of people driving very dangerously, and they presumably all held a license
cb1965 said:
Some drivers are idiots, but proportionally in London a lot more cyclists are idiots and generally stand to get a lot more injured by being so (something people like you cannot get through your head for reasons the forum posting rules prevent me from describing).
Care to back that up?budgie smuggler said:
cb1965 said:
Some drivers are idiots, but proportionally in London a lot more cyclists are idiots
No, I disagree with that. Where's the evidence?budgie smuggler said:
cb1965 said:
and generally stand to get a lot more injured by being so
So that's their lookout isn't it? budgie smuggler said:
cb1965 said:
BTW if you are so ****ing tired of reading my posts just don't. How easy is that? Probably so easy even you can manage it..maybe!
I'd rather you stopped posting because somebody might read your posts and think they are true, thus further antagonising the relationship between cyclists and drivers.budgie smuggler said:
cb1965 said:
Oh and just to spell it out I think a lot of cyclists are thick as p1gst, the evidence is there to see and it is just as well there is no test for them as I doubt many of them have the brain capacity to pass one!
Two points here:t, the evidence is there to see and it is just as well there is no test for them as I doubt many of them have the brain capacity to pass one!1 Over 80% of cyclists hold a driving license
2 I gave several examples in my previous post of people driving very dangerously, and they presumably all held a license
cb1965 said:
No they hold a CAR licence as there is no such thing as a BIKE license and while a small proportion of motorised vehicles are piloted by idiots as stated that proportion rises sharply when we turn to the cyclists!
The problem with that statement (apart from the hard to understand grammar. I've helped by putting in words Is suspect you missed out in your feverish attempts at mashing the keyboard to slag off bike riders) Also your statement ignores the earlier posts point that if people have car licences they must have a clue about the road laws, or even just the way things are on the roads. So unlike your belief that people on bikes are riding like "dicks" because they have no clue is probably not the case.The other thing is that I don't believe it's a small proportion of car pilots that are s
te! I don't mean so much in the sense of constantly crashing, but the general standards of driving is so bad that probably 50% of the population would fail the test if redone (probably myself as well). But that 25% of total drivers are really dangerous. Tailgating, driving on phones, driving aggressively. Blocking, weaving. Excessive speeding in built up areas. Parking like s. Just look at the "dashcam thread" on here.If cyclists were anywhere near as bad as drivers. They'd be getting wiped out on a daily basis in their thousands. I'm not saying cyclists are blameless. But how many instances of fatalities/serious injuries of cyclists that have been in the news recently were because the cyclist jumped a red light and got taken out by a car. (the footballer case didn't result in serious injury afaik) Or some other way where the cyclist straight-lined a roundabout or just veered across a road to turn without indicating etc etc
What frustrates me the most on this and other car vs cyclist thread is that I haven't heard anyone that rides a bike (a lot) defend crap bike riding. But it seems to me that certain car driver (non bikers) will excuse everything a car driver does whilst still trying to blame cyclists for the ills of the world. I get it, you don't like bikes and don't ever intend to use one to commute. But don't let that dislike of something lead you to just blanket assumption that they are always in the wrong.
Here's a question. Why do YOU not ride a bike for commuting or for exercise?
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