Another cyclist dies in London

[Digby]

Killboy said:

Digby said:

Killboy said:

If a cyclist prevents you from making any progress, you really should not be behind the wheel of any vehicle.

Care to expand?

Sure. What part of London would a cyclist hold up a car for longer than a few seconds, that they would not be simply passed again at the next lights? Note I said "make progress". i.e. Would any amount of cyclists in London add 1 second to your journey time?

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If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

[heebeegeetee]

Digby said:

If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

So you're not concerned about the hours of delays caused by cars which you yourself contribute to, but instead you focus on some seconds that you imagine a cyclist has caused you. Leaving aside that the traffic lights are there because of cars, and not cyclists.

[Dick Turpin]

Digby said:

If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

[anonymous-user]

dxg said:

saaby93 said:

dxg said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVAByUkwxQ&t=...

what happened next?
I was expecting while he looked away a bike moved into a zone he'd previously checked, he moved off and....

I was just posting it as an example of how little can actually be seen. It surprised me.

His vision towards the front passenger side would be improved significantly if he removed that huge shelf and storage type device that has been fitted over the top of the dashboard which seems to obscure the lower 6" of the windscreen.

[GC8]

Illegal here. VOSA would prohibit the vehicle.

[NoNeed]

SystemParanoia said:

not all tipper drivers are bad guys..

some cyclists just seem to be a hurry to get their harp and wings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0BVeKD5Xw

So true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMRWCi8uriw

[matrignano]

plasticpig said:

The full report that Killboy posted the stats from suggests that one of the reasons for increased levels of congestion for motorized transport is the removal of road network capacity to increase provision for cyclists. So whilst individual cyclists might not slow traffic down the extra provision made for cyclists has.

Look at the roadworks on London's Victoria Embankment, which will make way to a cycle superhighway, removing 1 or 2 lanes for cars.
Just the roadworks have doubled my 30 min commute.

[okgo]

Do you need to drive to work?

Its a total joke how much traffic is in London, buses, cabs, cars etc, far too much and most of it belching out fumes like there is no tomorrow, its a fking polluted sthole, the quicker they start making driving impossible in Central London the better. The embankment is a step towards that.

Does it occur to any of the haters on here that some of the people commuting by bike may at one point have been doing it by car and have seen the light of day? Probably not

[Pete317]

heebeegeetee said:

Digby said:

If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

So you're not concerned about the hours of delays caused by cars which you yourself contribute to, but instead you focus on some seconds that you imagine a cyclist has caused you. Leaving aside that the traffic lights are there because of cars, and not cyclists.

Tell me, when you're standing in a queue in the supermarket, bank etc, do you blame yourself for contributing to the queue?
And what are you more concerned about - the length of the queue or how quickly it moves?

[walm]

okgo said:

Does it occur to any of the haters on here that some of the people commuting by bike may at one point have been doing it by car and have seen the light of day?

At least when they were in a car they:
- Never broke the highway code.
- Paid for the roads.
- Wore sensible clothes.
- Never slowed down other drivers.
- Never got angry with other road users.
- Never posted on PH about other idiots on the road.
- 100% had insurance.
- Always had a roadworthy vehicle.
- Had training they never forgot, up to date with the latest changes and creating 100% error-free roadcraft.
- Never recorded something with their "cam", posted it to Youtube anticipating a circlejerk of congratulations from like-minded morons, only to realise their driving was less than perfect and that the average IQ of a Youtube commenter might cause them to want to stop the rotation of the earth so they can get off...

...oh wait...

[anonymous-user]

okgo said:

Does it occur to any of the haters on here that some of the people commuting by bike may at one point have been doing it by car and have seen the light of day? Probably not

It will be beyond them to join the dots; that a cyclist is also a driver, is also a motorcyclist, is also a truck driver. This is some very serious stuff we are discussing, stuff which would require the intellect of at least the average 6 year old to comprehend.

Hopefully it's just a generational thing that will Darwin itself out.

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

This is some very serious stuff we are discussing, stuff which would require the intellect of at least the average 6 year old to comprehend.

Agreed, it is serious stuff.

What advice would you give to cyclists and drivers?

[saaby93]

yonex said:

Hopefully it's just a generational thing that will Darwin itself out.

When I opened this thread I was hoping it would come to a more useful conclusion than leave it to Darwin

Is it indicating yet whats leading to the type of collisions we're seeing?

[Digby]

Dick Turpin said:

Digby said:

If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

Pah! Your pic (funny though it is) is wasted on me, Sir!

I said earlier I have no problem waiting.Half a mile the other day without so much as a raised pulse! I was simply wondering what was meant by "If a cyclist prevents you from making any progress, you really should not be behind the wheel of any vehicle".Some of us have no choice.

[Digby]

okgo said:

Do you need to drive to work?

..the quicker they start making driving impossible in Central London the better. The embankment is a step towards that.

How big will the bikes have to be to deliver all the materials?

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

Agreed, it is serious stuff.

What advice would you give to cyclists and drivers?

Respect one another, be tolerant of people less careful than yourself, don't sweat the odd hold up, it just doesn't matter.

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

Ghibli said:

Agreed, it is serious stuff.

What advice would you give to cyclists and drivers?

Respect one another, be tolerant of people less careful than yourself, don't sweat the odd hold up, it just doesn't matter.

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Digby said:

If at any point I am driving more slowly due to a cyclist, then I am not making the progress I would have been had they not been there.I could have reached the set of lights used in your example and passed through them on green had I not crept along so slowly beforehand.Of course, if I could simply ignore the red light...;)

So you're not concerned about the hours of delays caused by cars which you yourself contribute to, but instead you focus on some seconds that you imagine a cyclist has caused you. Leaving aside that the traffic lights are there because of cars, and not cyclists.

Honestly, I would love to ban almost all vehicles, live in the hills or by the coast and be surrounded only by nature & a few nice people.I want the population of the world to be around a tenth of what it is now so the Earth can recover from human filth.As it stands, I get paid to listen to music and watch the world go by from my cab, so that will have to do..


Again, if you read what I said earlier, I have no issue with waiting for cyclists.I get thanked an awful lot by them.You are directing your points towards the wrong person.

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

Respect one another, be tolerant of people less careful than yourself, don't sweat the odd hold up, it just doesn't matter.

Yes I agree with that.

I was more looking for driving/cycling advice, as in protecting yourself as a cyclist and what drivers can do to not Kill/hurt cyclists.

[saaby93]

Digby said:

I have no issue with waiting for cyclists.I get thanked an awful lot by them.

Why cant it be more inclusive than them or us
Maybe something everyone here can sign up to
I have no issue waiting for pedestrians, cyclists, motorists (all types)