Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
80sMatchbox said:
Lorry driver will not face charges over death of cyclist Ying Tao at notorious Bank junction
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/revealed-lor...
"Officers who studied CCTV footage and data from the collision on June 22 last year found no evidence the driving had fallen below the “competent and careful” standards required by law, nor that the vehicle was defective"
Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
Digby said:
"Officers who studied CCTV footage and data from the collision on June 22 last year found no evidence the driving had fallen below the “competent and careful” standards required by law, nor that the vehicle was defective"
Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
If want to lay in the road to protest about some donkey riding around with no lights, go right ahead! He probably won't see you though...Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
Digby said:
"Officers who studied CCTV footage and data from the collision on June 22 last year found no evidence the driving had fallen below the “competent and careful” standards required by law, nor that the vehicle was defective"
Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
There will be no need for protests. The fact that it was properly investigated and the driver was found not to be at fault enough. The responsible cyclists will carry on being responsible, the militant ones will hopefully realise that they have a responsibility to themselves and other around them and cannot claim any moral high ground because they ride a bike and hopefully the idiots will do the same. Maybe cyclists will start protesting about how other cyclists ride? It would certainly help.
Though it will be a weight off his (probably) shoulders, you have to feel for the driver.
Yet the founder of the protest group mentioned says he is disappointed there is no prosecution. So even when the facts show the driver was not at fault, they still want him prosecuting?
Doesn't sound very fair. It is sad any life being lost but you cannot always blame a driver, just because they are there.
Doesn't sound very fair. It is sad any life being lost but you cannot always blame a driver, just because they are there.
spaximus said:
Yet the founder of the protest group mentioned says he is disappointed there is no prosecution. So even when the facts show the driver was not at fault, they still want him prosecuting?
Doesn't sound very fair. It is sad any life being lost but you cannot always blame a driver, just because they are there.
It's about time the cyclists started taking responsibility for their own actions. Doesn't sound very fair. It is sad any life being lost but you cannot always blame a driver, just because they are there.
George111 said:
It's about time the cyclists started taking responsibility for their own actions.
Oh do f
k off, Georgie boy.Just today I was beeped at for having the temerity to ride my bicycle more than two feet from the carriageway edge. My reason for doing so? Well it could well have been the water which had collected along the kerbside over a number of previous days, and which had solidified into an alarmingly slippery riding surface as a result of overnight low temperatures.
Well. When the t
t in the Renault tooted at me, I simply pointed toward the ENTIRELY EMPTY opposite lane, just a little to my right. But this wound tt-boy up sooooo much that he deliberately buzzed my right elbow with his car, yet when invited back for a discussion he roared off like the chicken-st fkwit he was. I took FULL responsibility for my actions. From getting into my super-sexy fanny-magnet Lycra™ gear, to climbing onto my bike, I fully accepted that I'd look like a proper doofus. Then, when faced with the choice of a) stopping and turning around, or b) riding on sheet ice and inevitably face-planting within seconds, or c) riding further out into the road, I took what I thought was the safe choice. But some educationally sub-normal arse-face in a badly maintained, crappy from the outset French hatchback decided to be the only driver (of many who passed me safely this morning) to make an issue out of it.
Rest assured, the VAST majority of cyclists take their own safety, and that of others, FAR more seriously then a goodly proportion of idiot drivers, safely ensconced in their safety cages with ABS brakes and multiple airbags, behind impact protection beams, to the point where they feel soooo invincible that it's OK to drive along with a cigarette dangling from their lips whilst texting with BOTH HANDS on a 40mph single carriageway road. And that was a so-called 'professional' driver in a vehicle that requires a vocational licence.
And if the Renault driver from this morning is, by some remote chance, reading this? My invitation to "have a chat" still stands. I'm desperate to find out just how long it'll take to remove both your eyeballs with the blunt end of a bicycle pump...
...so yes, George, sweetcheeks, I'm offended by your suggestion that, up until your quoted pearl of wisdom, none of us human-powered two-wheelers was intelligent enough to take any responsibility for "our own actions". How the juddering f
k I've made it to my mid forties, having cycled regularly for more than thirty of those years, I just don't know. Thank you for your genius, sugartits, encapsulated neatly as it was in a memorable soundbite. Advice I shall now treasure for as long as I live.
frisbee said:
George111 said:
It's about time the cyclists started taking responsibility for their own actions.
Absolutely, being easily killed or crippled is no sort of deterrent at all. Maybe a £10 fine would make them find the error of their ways?
What we need to know now is what happened to try to help prevent anyone else being in the same position
(preferably without the catch all close the junction)
yellowjack said:
Oh do fk off, Georgie boy.
Just today I was beeped at for having the temerity to ride my bicycle more than two feet from the carriageway edge. My reason for doing so? Well it could well have been the water which had collected along the kerbside over a number of previous days, and which had solidified into an alarmingly slippery riding surface as a result of overnight low temperatures.
Well. When the tt in the Renault tooted at me, I simply pointed toward the ENTIRELY EMPTY opposite lane, just a little to my right. But this wound tt-boy up sooooo much that he deliberately buzzed my right elbow with his car, yet when invited back for a discussion he roared off like the chicken-st fkwit he was.
I took FULL responsibility for my actions. From getting into my super-sexy fanny-magnet Lycra™ gear, to climbing onto my bike, I fully accepted that I'd look like a proper doofus. Then, when faced with the choice of a) stopping and turning around, or b) riding on sheet ice and inevitably face-planting within seconds, or c) riding further out into the road, I took what I thought was the safe choice. But some educationally sub-normal arse-face in a badly maintained, crappy from the outset French hatchback decided to be the only driver (of many who passed me safely this morning) to make an issue out of it.
Rest assured, the VAST majority of cyclists take their own safety, and that of others, FAR more seriously then a goodly proportion of idiot drivers, safely ensconced in their safety cages with ABS brakes and multiple airbags, behind impact protection beams, to the point where they feel soooo invincible that it's OK to drive along with a cigarette dangling from their lips whilst texting with BOTH HANDS on a 40mph single carriageway road. And that was a so-called 'professional' driver in a vehicle that requires a vocational licence.
And if the Renault driver from this morning is, by some remote chance, reading this? My invitation to "have a chat" still stands. I'm desperate to find out just how long it'll take to remove both your eyeballs with the blunt end of a bicycle pump...
...so yes, George, sweetcheeks, I'm offended by your suggestion that, up until your quoted pearl of wisdom, none of us human-powered two-wheelers was intelligent enough to take any responsibility for "our own actions". How the juddering fk I've made it to my mid forties, having cycled regularly for more than thirty of those years, I just don't know. Thank you for your genius, sugartits, encapsulated neatly as it was in a memorable soundbite. Advice I shall now treasure for as long as I live.
That cannot have been written by an adult. Is that most cringeworthy thread still running?k off, Georgie boy.Just today I was beeped at for having the temerity to ride my bicycle more than two feet from the carriageway edge. My reason for doing so? Well it could well have been the water which had collected along the kerbside over a number of previous days, and which had solidified into an alarmingly slippery riding surface as a result of overnight low temperatures.
Well. When the t
t in the Renault tooted at me, I simply pointed toward the ENTIRELY EMPTY opposite lane, just a little to my right. But this wound tt-boy up sooooo much that he deliberately buzzed my right elbow with his car, yet when invited back for a discussion he roared off like the chicken-st fkwit he was. I took FULL responsibility for my actions. From getting into my super-sexy fanny-magnet Lycra™ gear, to climbing onto my bike, I fully accepted that I'd look like a proper doofus. Then, when faced with the choice of a) stopping and turning around, or b) riding on sheet ice and inevitably face-planting within seconds, or c) riding further out into the road, I took what I thought was the safe choice. But some educationally sub-normal arse-face in a badly maintained, crappy from the outset French hatchback decided to be the only driver (of many who passed me safely this morning) to make an issue out of it.
Rest assured, the VAST majority of cyclists take their own safety, and that of others, FAR more seriously then a goodly proportion of idiot drivers, safely ensconced in their safety cages with ABS brakes and multiple airbags, behind impact protection beams, to the point where they feel soooo invincible that it's OK to drive along with a cigarette dangling from their lips whilst texting with BOTH HANDS on a 40mph single carriageway road. And that was a so-called 'professional' driver in a vehicle that requires a vocational licence.
And if the Renault driver from this morning is, by some remote chance, reading this? My invitation to "have a chat" still stands. I'm desperate to find out just how long it'll take to remove both your eyeballs with the blunt end of a bicycle pump...
...so yes, George, sweetcheeks, I'm offended by your suggestion that, up until your quoted pearl of wisdom, none of us human-powered two-wheelers was intelligent enough to take any responsibility for "our own actions". How the juddering f
k I've made it to my mid forties, having cycled regularly for more than thirty of those years, I just don't know. Thank you for your genius, sugartits, encapsulated neatly as it was in a memorable soundbite. Advice I shall now treasure for as long as I live.Piersman2 said:
Maybe if the roads are icy and you can't cycle safely, you shouldn't!
I know in my 'safety cage' I tend to turn round and go home when the roads are too icy for me to drive safely.
Maybe you'd do well to read the entirety of a post rather than picking on one tiny detail.I know in my 'safety cage' I tend to turn round and go home when the roads are too icy for me to drive safely.
To make it simpler for you...
THERE WOZ SUM FROZEN PUGGLES. i RODED ROUND THEM INSTED OF THRU THEM. i THAWT IT MITE BE SAFER THAN FALLIN OFF IN FRONT OF SUM BIGGER TRAFFIC.
...or if you can cope with the concept -
"I made use of good observation and forward planning to spot and avoid a potentially dangerous small patch of ice extending approximately 18 inches from the nearside edge of the carriageway. I made a safety check over my shoulder prior to moving to my right, and remained a safe distance from the carriageway edge as there were a number of separate frozen puddles spread along the sheltered edge of one short section of the road."
Only one vehicle driver 'made a meal' of passing me. Many didn't, passing at a safe distance with absolutely no fuss whatsoever. Oh, and despite it being a clear, bright day, I was wearing a high-level flashing LED light attached to my jacket. And one further point to note? It is often advised that further from the kerb is safer than closer to it, because being further out puts the cyclist directly into the eyeline of following drivers, thereby making it more likely that said cyclist will be spotted earlier, and forcing the driver to consider a Properly Planned Overtake rather than just sliding past wholly within the same lane.
It'd be nice if some of the stupid non-cyclists who drive would learn that it really, truly, definitely ISN'T illegal to depart one's own lane when overtaking a cyclist.
yellowjack said:
I made a safety check over my shoulder prior to moving to my right,
I'm always surprised how little I see this happening. But them I'm just as surprised at how people can drive vehicles around missing passenger mirrors (almost always a van). I can honestly say I have no idea how they manage it. I would feel like I had lost an eye.
Digby said:
I'm always surprised how little I see this happening.
But them I'm just as surprised at how people can drive vehicles around missing passenger mirrors (almost always a van). I can honestly say I have no idea how they manage it. I would feel like I had lost an eye.
Saddens me, too.But them I'm just as surprised at how people can drive vehicles around missing passenger mirrors (almost always a van). I can honestly say I have no idea how they manage it. I would feel like I had lost an eye.
I don't think I could drive my car if it were missing any one of it's mirrors. I depend on them to know what's going on around me. I'd probably cycle to the dealership to buy a new mirror before biking home again to fit it. Maybe it's a function of having driven plenty of vehicles with restricted views and multiple blind spots, that you just use your mirrors more.
What saddens me more greatly, though, is when I make that all-important shoulder check prior to making a right turn on the bike. Once to check what (if anything) is behind me. A second one to confirm position and closing speed of following traffic, and a third check, AFTER signalling, but before moving over to the centre line to make the turn. But STILL there are drivers who will ignore all the cues and clues, and overtake me. FFS! I'm in the middle of making a right turn, and some nugget cannot wait for me to move across so that they'll be able to pass to my left in just a few short seconds, or I'll be away off crossing the opposite lane leaving them with a completely clear road ahead. And still people will ask "why don't the cyclists (as if we are a separate tribe completely) take more responsibility for their own actions?"
yellowjack said:
Saddens me, too.
I don't think I could drive my car if it were missing any one of it's mirrors. I depend on them to know what's going on around me. I'd probably cycle to the dealership to buy a new mirror before biking home again to fit it. Maybe it's a function of having driven plenty of vehicles with restricted views and multiple blind spots, that you just use your mirrors more.
What saddens me more greatly, though, is when I make that all-important shoulder check prior to making a right turn on the bike. Once to check what (if anything) is behind me. A second one to confirm position and closing speed of following traffic, and a third check, AFTER signalling, but before moving over to the centre line to make the turn. But STILL there are drivers who will ignore all the cues and clues, and overtake me. FFS! I'm in the middle of making a right turn, and some nugget cannot wait for me to move across so that they'll be able to pass to my left in just a few short seconds, or I'll be away off crossing the opposite lane leaving them with a completely clear road ahead. And still people will ask "why don't the cyclists (as if we are a separate tribe completely) take more responsibility for their own actions?"
Some cyclists are safe and others aren't.I don't think I could drive my car if it were missing any one of it's mirrors. I depend on them to know what's going on around me. I'd probably cycle to the dealership to buy a new mirror before biking home again to fit it. Maybe it's a function of having driven plenty of vehicles with restricted views and multiple blind spots, that you just use your mirrors more.
What saddens me more greatly, though, is when I make that all-important shoulder check prior to making a right turn on the bike. Once to check what (if anything) is behind me. A second one to confirm position and closing speed of following traffic, and a third check, AFTER signalling, but before moving over to the centre line to make the turn. But STILL there are drivers who will ignore all the cues and clues, and overtake me. FFS! I'm in the middle of making a right turn, and some nugget cannot wait for me to move across so that they'll be able to pass to my left in just a few short seconds, or I'll be away off crossing the opposite lane leaving them with a completely clear road ahead. And still people will ask "why don't the cyclists (as if we are a separate tribe completely) take more responsibility for their own actions?"
Some drivers are safe and others aren't.
yellowjack said:
Oh do fk off, Georgie boy.
Just today I was beeped at for having the temerity to ride my bicycle more than two feet from the carriageway edge. My reason for doing so? Well it could well have been the water which had collected along the kerbside over a number of previous days, and which had solidified into an alarmingly slippery riding surface as a result of overnight low temperatures.
Well. When the tt in the Renault tooted at me, I simply pointed toward the ENTIRELY EMPTY opposite lane, just a little to my right. But this wound tt-boy up sooooo much that he deliberately buzzed my right elbow with his car, yet when invited back for a discussion he roared off like the chicken-st fkwit he was.
I took FULL responsibility for my actions. From getting into my super-sexy fanny-magnet Lycra™ gear, to climbing onto my bike, I fully accepted that I'd look like a proper doofus. Then, when faced with the choice of a) stopping and turning around, or b) riding on sheet ice and inevitably face-planting within seconds, or c) riding further out into the road, I took what I thought was the safe choice. But some educationally sub-normal arse-face in a badly maintained, crappy from the outset French hatchback decided to be the only driver (of many who passed me safely this morning) to make an issue out of it.
Rest assured, the VAST majority of cyclists take their own safety, and that of others, FAR more seriously then a goodly proportion of idiot drivers, safely ensconced in their safety cages with ABS brakes and multiple airbags, behind impact protection beams, to the point where they feel soooo invincible that it's OK to drive along with a cigarette dangling from their lips whilst texting with BOTH HANDS on a 40mph single carriageway road. And that was a so-called 'professional' driver in a vehicle that requires a vocational licence.
And if the Renault driver from this morning is, by some remote chance, reading this? My invitation to "have a chat" still stands. I'm desperate to find out just how long it'll take to remove both your eyeballs with the blunt end of a bicycle pump...
...so yes, George, sweetcheeks, I'm offended by your suggestion that, up until your quoted pearl of wisdom, none of us human-powered two-wheelers was intelligent enough to take any responsibility for "our own actions". How the juddering fk I've made it to my mid forties, having cycled regularly for more than thirty of those years, I just don't know. Thank you for your genius, sugartits, encapsulated neatly as it was in a memorable soundbite. Advice I shall now treasure for as long as I live.
I love riding my bike, but when the roads are icy it stays firmly in my shed.k off, Georgie boy.Just today I was beeped at for having the temerity to ride my bicycle more than two feet from the carriageway edge. My reason for doing so? Well it could well have been the water which had collected along the kerbside over a number of previous days, and which had solidified into an alarmingly slippery riding surface as a result of overnight low temperatures.
Well. When the t
t in the Renault tooted at me, I simply pointed toward the ENTIRELY EMPTY opposite lane, just a little to my right. But this wound tt-boy up sooooo much that he deliberately buzzed my right elbow with his car, yet when invited back for a discussion he roared off like the chicken-st fkwit he was. I took FULL responsibility for my actions. From getting into my super-sexy fanny-magnet Lycra™ gear, to climbing onto my bike, I fully accepted that I'd look like a proper doofus. Then, when faced with the choice of a) stopping and turning around, or b) riding on sheet ice and inevitably face-planting within seconds, or c) riding further out into the road, I took what I thought was the safe choice. But some educationally sub-normal arse-face in a badly maintained, crappy from the outset French hatchback decided to be the only driver (of many who passed me safely this morning) to make an issue out of it.
Rest assured, the VAST majority of cyclists take their own safety, and that of others, FAR more seriously then a goodly proportion of idiot drivers, safely ensconced in their safety cages with ABS brakes and multiple airbags, behind impact protection beams, to the point where they feel soooo invincible that it's OK to drive along with a cigarette dangling from their lips whilst texting with BOTH HANDS on a 40mph single carriageway road. And that was a so-called 'professional' driver in a vehicle that requires a vocational licence.
And if the Renault driver from this morning is, by some remote chance, reading this? My invitation to "have a chat" still stands. I'm desperate to find out just how long it'll take to remove both your eyeballs with the blunt end of a bicycle pump...
...so yes, George, sweetcheeks, I'm offended by your suggestion that, up until your quoted pearl of wisdom, none of us human-powered two-wheelers was intelligent enough to take any responsibility for "our own actions". How the juddering f
k I've made it to my mid forties, having cycled regularly for more than thirty of those years, I just don't know. Thank you for your genius, sugartits, encapsulated neatly as it was in a memorable soundbite. Advice I shall now treasure for as long as I live.Numb hands and face are no fun either.
frisbee said:
George111 said:
It's about time the cyclists started taking responsibility for their own actions.
Absolutely, being easily killed or crippled is no sort of deterrent at all. Maybe a £10 fine would make them find the error of their ways?I know this makes me very unpopular with some people on PH (what, again ?
) but it does need to be said. Cyclists should not go down the left of traffic - I ride a motorbike and I'd never do that, because of the danger, and I'm wearing partial hi-viz and sitting on a large motorbike with a HID headlight.Cyclists here often admire the Dutch system but in The Netherlands cyclists are educated at school and are made aware that there are rules and they must obey them as well as cars, it's not a free-for-all just because you don't have an engine.
Nobody wants to see cyclists or anybody killed on the roads but whilst they ride down the inside of other vehicles, it will continue and the only way to stop it is to fully segregate (not possible in London) or for cyclists to learn to ride safely.
George111 said:
[b]It appears not to be a deterrent or they would stop doing it wouldn't they ? It is sad but how many more cyclists have to die before they realise they SHARE the road and need to observe the same rules as everybody else ?
I know this makes me very unpopular with some people on PH (what, again ? ) but it does need to be said. Cyclists should not go down the left of traffic - I ride a motorbike and I'd never do that, because of the danger, and I'm wearing partial hi-viz and sitting on a large motorbike with a HID headlight.
Cyclists here often admire the Dutch system but in The Netherlands cyclists are educated at school and are made aware that there are rules and they must obey them as well as cars, it's not a free-for-all just because you don't have an engine.[/b]
Nobody wants to see cyclists or anybody killed on the roads but whilst they ride down the inside of other vehicles, it will continue and the only way to stop it is to fully segregate (not possible in London) or for cyclists to learn to ride safely.
I think this is the key. Cyclists want all the rights without the responsibilities. For example the majority of drivers will give cyclists room, the minority won't. The majority of cyclists will jump red lights in towns and cities. The minority that obey red lights often only do so because the volume of traffic on the intersection stops them from proceeding.I know this makes me very unpopular with some people on PH (what, again ?
) but it does need to be said. Cyclists should not go down the left of traffic - I ride a motorbike and I'd never do that, because of the danger, and I'm wearing partial hi-viz and sitting on a large motorbike with a HID headlight.Cyclists here often admire the Dutch system but in The Netherlands cyclists are educated at school and are made aware that there are rules and they must obey them as well as cars, it's not a free-for-all just because you don't have an engine.[/b]
Nobody wants to see cyclists or anybody killed on the roads but whilst they ride down the inside of other vehicles, it will continue and the only way to stop it is to fully segregate (not possible in London) or for cyclists to learn to ride safely.
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