Exhaust noise

[anonymous-user]

yonex said:

My point.





I think it's pretty obvious the problem lies in the lower end aftermarket tat. Nobody is really suggesting something like an E30 M3, BDA or anything else with a properly tuned manifold and exhaust is in the same league.

Edited by yonex on Wednesday 21st January 11:18

You'd lose a football in that Saxo one!

[vixen1700]

Claudia Skies said:

Loud exhaust on a road car = tw@t, whatever the car.

There must be a certain weakness in the head of those who potter down the High St with their F-type/Maserati/Ferrari/Subaru/Caterham popping and banging like a 3-year old with a trumpet and a drum.

Really?

[vixen1700]

y2blade said:

Yep...4pots (with the exception of the Boxer 4) sound wk regardless of the Exhaust.

My 4 cylinder Vixen sounds pretty good.

[_dobbo_]

GravelMachineGun said:

I didn't run a standard exhaust on my Subaru. I had a genuine STI one.
It wasn't big. It wasn't loud at all, whisper quiet actually.

So you're saying that the STI exhaust was in no way louder than the standard exhaust that came with the car?

[neil1jnr]

GravelMachineGun said:

aka_kerrly said:

So in summary when YOU want the world to be quiet it should be quiet, when YOU want to hear noise it is acceptable.

Double standards!

Well when I'm sat in a restaurant eating a nice meal and then a stupid Civic Type R drives past in first gear so everyone can hear him yes it annoys me.

When it is on a race track I like it extremely loud.

BUT according to what YOU have said, if you were in the same restraunt and it was an Aventador doing the same thing in 1st gear then it would be acceptable...

[GroundEffect]

My 335i really makes a racket. And it's OEM. Once the 2nd exhaust opens up and she's a bit warm, the overrun makes all sorts of fruity noises.

[neil1jnr]

xstian said:

Im not a huge fan of chav exhaust's. I'm not against fitting a better system to your car. I, myself have a Milltek fitted to my S2. The difference with a good exhaust manufactures is, that they don't sound much louder with normal driving. I live in a small town, and when ever I hear a loud exhaust, I think knob. They are either a chav, or they are speeding. This goes for bikes and cars.

That is bullst, normally you get a choice of 'resonated' or 'non-resonated' exhausts, regardless of the manufacturer.

So just because your resonated Milltek exhaust is more expensive and quiter than other exhausts, in your mind that makes it acceptable? You can have a Milltek exhaust non resonated if you wanted with a de-cat or sports cat pipe and it would be very loud, still the same manufacturer.

[Leins]

The OEM exhaust on my M3 CSL is probably more anti-social than the other two cars I have with "Max Power"-style SuperSprints and Eisenmanns. Someone should send BMW a strongly-worded letter of complaint!

[neil1jnr]

yonex said:

VladD said:

I bet he wasn't running a standard exhaust.

My point.





I think it's pretty obvious the problem lies in the lower end aftermarket tat. Nobody is really suggesting something like an E30 M3, BDA or anything else with a properly tuned manifold and exhaust is in the same league.

Edited by yonex on Wednesday 21st January 11:18

Your are such a money snob it is unreal. So as long as you have plenty of money then it is ok to have a loud exhaust on your car. How do you know the Impreza with the large loud exhaust hasn't had a larger turbo fitted and an expensive manifold/down pipe and full sports CAT system? Idiot

[RobbyJ]

neil1jnr said:

BUT according to what YOU have said, if you were in the same restraunt and it was an Aventador doing the same thing in 1st gear then it would be acceptable...

Yes that would be fine with me, moreover I'd leave my wife inside the restaurant and go outside to watch the Lambo

[xstian]

neil1jnr said:

xstian said:

Im not a huge fan of chav exhaust's. I'm not against fitting a better system to your car. I, myself have a Milltek fitted to my S2. The difference with a good exhaust manufactures is, that they don't sound much louder with normal driving. I live in a small town, and when ever I hear a loud exhaust, I think knob. They are either a chav, or they are speeding. This goes for bikes and cars.

That is bullst, normally you get a choice of 'resonated' or 'non-resonated' exhausts, regardless of the manufacturer.

So just because your resonated Milltek exhaust is more expensive and quiter than other exhausts, in your mind that makes it acceptable? You can have a Milltek exhaust non resonated if you wanted with a de-cat or sports cat pipe and it would be very loud, still the same manufacturer.

There is no choice for the S2. But what you are saying makes me think you would have to be even more of a chav to have a choice and still pick the louder exhaust.

[aka_kerrly]

xstian said:

Your "road" car is so noisy, that even racing circuits are saying it too loud.

As I said above, this sort of exhaust comes under chav or knob.

Using a track day noise level as an indication of how loud race cars/road cars are is not appropriate as I'm certain almost every track would happily do away with noise limits if it wasn't for their neighbours.

Hence why tracks vary so much , even down to different days for example Croft have week day events with a 88Db limit and "noisy" days with a 105Db and they have one of the most annoying neighbours going, a certain couple who moved into a house barely 300m from the main gate and complain about noise - fkING IDIOTS!


Castle Combe have made it quite clear that their sound limits are imposed for the neighbours benefit and go as far as posting a statement saying that they understand the frustration of having a "road legal" car/bike that is deemed too loud for track use!!

Obviously we all have different views on what constitutes NOISE and too much.

[otolith]

Cars driven on a circuit are going to make more noise than cars driven on the road (given that they will be at high revs and WOT more of the time).

[neil1jnr]

xstian said:

neil1jnr said:

xstian said:

Im not a huge fan of chav exhaust's. I'm not against fitting a better system to your car. I, myself have a Milltek fitted to my S2. The difference with a good exhaust manufactures is, that they don't sound much louder with normal driving. I live in a small town, and when ever I hear a loud exhaust, I think knob. They are either a chav, or they are speeding. This goes for bikes and cars.

That is bullst, normally you get a choice of 'resonated' or 'non-resonated' exhausts, regardless of the manufacturer.

So just because your resonated Milltek exhaust is more expensive and quiter than other exhausts, in your mind that makes it acceptable? You can have a Milltek exhaust non resonated if you wanted with a de-cat or sports cat pipe and it would be very loud, still the same manufacturer.

There is no choice for the S2. But what you are saying makes me think you would have to be even more of a chav to have a choice and still pick the louder exhaust.

Nope, you would have to be more interested in performance gains to chose the 'louder' one. Most people I know with loud exhaust didn't buy it becuase it was the louder option, but becuase it was the better option for the performance of their car after they had modified it (remap or larger turbo etc). And a loud exhaust usually isn't just becuase it has the standard cat-back system replaced, if you need a larger bore downpipe for example and a sports CAT then this will make the car louder overall.

Milltek works on perceived 'superior' quality, and makes you think it is better becuase it is more expensive than other run of the mill exhaust manufacturers, just like VAG group and their cars for example. Their advertising is everywhere. They make stainless steel exhausts just like other manufactures and you can choose resonated or non resonated.

I guess manufacterers of super expensive titanium exhausts or even Iconel exhausts aren't as good as Milltek though...

[danjama]

Claudia Skies said:

Loud exhaust on a road car = tw@t, whatever the car.

There must be a certain weakness in the head of those who potter down the High St with their F-type/Maserati/Ferrari/Subaru/Caterham popping and banging like a 3-year old with a trumpet and a drum.

Who let this guy in?

[xRIEx]

aka_kerrly said:

and they have one of the most annoying neighbours going, a certain couple who moved into a house barely 300m from the main gate and complain about noise - fkING IDIOTS!

They moved there in the hope of converting the house to a guest house/B&B to cash in on the BTCC/BSB and other events there - they were denied planning permission so then started on the litigation/compensation crusade.

Selfish twunts have ruined the place for so many people.

[VladD]

GravelMachineGun said:

VladD said:

I bet he wasn't running a standard exhaust.

I didn't run a standard exhaust on my Subaru. I had a genuine STI one.
It wasn't big. It wasn't loud at all, whisper quiet actually.

The STi one on my Type-R was quite loud. Not stupid, but definitely louder than most cars on the road.

[aka_kerrly]

xRIEx said:

aka_kerrly said:

and they have one of the most annoying neighbours going, a certain couple who moved into a house barely 300m from the main gate and complain about noise - fkING IDIOTS!

They moved there in the hope of converting the house to a guest house/B&B to cash in on the BTCC/BSB and other events there - they were denied planning permission so then started on the litigation/compensation crusade.

Selfish twunts have ruined the place for so many people.

[BGarside]

It's a fine line between sounding nice and looking like a chav.

Considering getting a new exhaust for my BMW but don't want a lot of droning on the motorway or loads of noise around town.

In a way there's somethig more impressive about a car that can go fast without making a lot of noise about it. Better for stealth overtakes as well...

[anonymous-user]

neil1jnr said:

Your are such a money snob it is unreal. So as long as you have plenty of money then it is ok to have a loud exhaust on your car. How do you know the Impreza with the large loud exhaust hasn't had a larger turbo fitted and an expensive manifold/down pipe and full sports CAT system? Idiot

No, as long as you have a nice sounding engine it's ok to have some soul coming out of the back.

Cheap aftermarket stty exhausts do nothing apart from make noise, stty horrible noise. They are usually attached to stty horrible cars which will likely have all manor of things which are slightly knackered. These cretins will normally be found circulating car parks and the like. Calling me a snob is way off the mark, you spent more on your ST remap than I did on my last car Mr Moneybags. A decent exhaust isn't the exclusive right of 'monied' petrol heads (you included), you just have to sort the chaff out. Perhaps, just perhaps a horrible fart can costs a similar amount as something that actually works.....



As for the RB5 (if it's not a fake) how do I know it didn't have a bigger turbo, I don't, but let's say it's highly likely that it hasn't and that the ground clearance is going to be a bit of a problem. What about the Saxo, I guess that has a works engine and Sadev box, silly me, all this time I never knew that it's all a huge 'in' joke to throw us all off the scent.