RE: Ferrari 458 Spider: Review
Discussion
I have driven the new 650s (in spider form) and its a lot lot better than the previous model in almost every way but I found it dull to be honest, it just lacked that feeling of I really want that car and when I sit in it I just don't want to leave.
Now this view is with a real life comparison at home, the 458 spider that I have had since new for 18 months, nothing has come close to that all round sensation and I am open minded to anything else that does in that sort of price bracket, my other posts have reviewed what I have tried to come up with that opinion by the way, I missed out in the ApertA sadly and had the deposit returned, now that I think might have had the edge on the 'base' spider, but the Speciale coupe is a bit raw for the road on long trips.....I have tried it. On track though the speciale is a leap above the 458 that would be unimaginable from just looking.
So from a biased owner, I wouldn't swap cars
Now this view is with a real life comparison at home, the 458 spider that I have had since new for 18 months, nothing has come close to that all round sensation and I am open minded to anything else that does in that sort of price bracket, my other posts have reviewed what I have tried to come up with that opinion by the way, I missed out in the ApertA sadly and had the deposit returned, now that I think might have had the edge on the 'base' spider, but the Speciale coupe is a bit raw for the road on long trips.....I have tried it. On track though the speciale is a leap above the 458 that would be unimaginable from just looking.
So from a biased owner, I wouldn't swap cars
No "wobbles" at all with the carbon tub in the McLaren period. Its rock solid and It just feels so well put together.
I detected it ever so slightly in the 458 spider when pressing on thru twisty A and B roads but I don't think its a significant factor unless you are tracking the car a lot.
That in isolation wouldn't of put me off buying one because its a cracking car just not as good as the 650S IMHO as a non biased and devoted Ferrari owner and fan
I like to buy the best car of the time and not just a badge
I detected it ever so slightly in the 458 spider when pressing on thru twisty A and B roads but I don't think its a significant factor unless you are tracking the car a lot.
That in isolation wouldn't of put me off buying one because its a cracking car just not as good as the 650S IMHO as a non biased and devoted Ferrari owner and fan
I like to buy the best car of the time and not just a badge
130R said:
pagani1 said:
Insanity! Why do manufacturers think that buyers are willing to pay £50,000 for extras on top of the price list for this type of vehicle.
People with lots and lots of money willStreetrod said:
supercampeao said:
mwstewart said:
This is really interesting. The F430 Spider was praised as being within a near indistinguishable level of rigidity to the coupe. There is zero scuttle shake or column wobble in mine.
I find it really hard to believe that Ferrari would go backwards like that!
I thought that too. No wobble in my 430 either. Would be v surprised if 458 suffers from this...I find it really hard to believe that Ferrari would go backwards like that!
epom said:
Good for you 
love a post like this.
Interested in how the Mac will wipe the floor with a 458T though ? Or why you think so?
458T is an evolution of 458. If you think the 650S is a facelifted 12C you will be even more disappointed with 458T. Its a 458 with a few air intakes and a tweaked California T engine. This is a stop gap model to get round all the emissions legislation love a post like this. Interested in how the Mac will wipe the floor with a 458T though ? Or why you think so?
Ferrari has put all its big Research & Development into the car after 458T which will be a step change supercar hybrid. TBH I'd rather have a 458 as the last of the N/a V8's than a 458T but its a new Ferrari so it will always sell to those with money who want the latest prancing horse no matter what
I actually think 458 residuals will firm up as a result which will then make the McLaren 12 C look like an even better buy
Why is it that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA sounds better than basically any turbocharged car ever released by a mainstream manufacturer?
Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
GRBF430F1 said:
epom said:
Good for you love a post like this.
Interested in how the Mac will wipe the floor with a 458T though ? Or why you think so?
458T is an evolution of 458. If you think the 650S is a facelifted 12C you will be even more disappointed with 458T. Its a 458 with a few air intakes and a tweaked California T engine. love a post like this. Interested in how the Mac will wipe the floor with a 458T though ? Or why you think so?
Seriously though, adding any turbo will risk diluting feedback, period. I just have a hunch (though I may be wrong) that given Ferrari's history of building incredible turbo charged engines (288 and F40 being two of them) I would not be surprised at all if they pulled out a rabbit with that one too.
pagani1 said:
Insanity! Why do manufacturers think that buyers are willing to pay £50,000 for extras on top of the price list for this type of vehicle. £50,000 could buy a half decent Ferrari 355 or a decent sportscar from stuttgart or Hethel.
Depreciation on extras is severe so burning fivers is the name of the game here.
Maybe becuase buyers are more than willine to pay £50k on extras and beyond.Depreciation on extras is severe so burning fivers is the name of the game here.
Put it this way, if you won the Euro millions and wanted a Ferrari 458, would you give a second thought about costs and depreciation? I think not.
MrTappets said:
Why is it that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA sounds better than basically any turbocharged car ever released by a mainstream manufacturer?
Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
More than likely aftermarket exhaust or straight pipes?Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
I cannot see new FI Ferraris losing any of their soundtrack tbh. Beautiful engines noises are synonymous with the prancing horse. That said, the 650S sounds very special to me too.
A quick question for current Ferrari owners; are the current models reliable? A neighbour has had terrible issues with his California.
toppstuff said:
650S every time for me.
I just don't get on with the Ferrari image.
This 100%.I just don't get on with the Ferrari image.
Baseball caps, pencil cases, laptops and theme parks have fkall to do with cars afaic.
Nothing but tired old 'romantic' Italian cliches, "the aura", the history, "we ARE Formula 1" and all that blx.
McLaren may come across as anally retentive as lost vicar in G-A-Y, but underneath the surface there we find pencils balanced behind ears, bangers & mash wi gravy, swilled down with a couple of pints of bitter on a Friday aft.
daveco said:
MrTappets said:
Why is it that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA sounds better than basically any turbocharged car ever released by a mainstream manufacturer?
Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
More than likely aftermarket exhaust or straight pipes?Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
I cannot see new FI Ferraris losing any of their soundtrack tbh. Beautiful engines noises are synonymous with the prancing horse. That said, the 650S sounds very special to me too.
A quick question for current Ferrari owners; are the current models reliable? A neighbour has had terrible issues with his California.
Ex Boy Racer said:
daveco said:
MrTappets said:
Why is it that this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA sounds better than basically any turbocharged car ever released by a mainstream manufacturer?
Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
More than likely aftermarket exhaust or straight pipes?Matter of fact, loads of Ferraris that have aftermarket turbos seem to scream every bit as much as they did before the op. I don't understand the difference. It can't be down to emissions regs as they screamed before and they still scream after.
I cannot see new FI Ferraris losing any of their soundtrack tbh. Beautiful engines noises are synonymous with the prancing horse. That said, the 650S sounds very special to me too.
A quick question for current Ferrari owners; are the current models reliable? A neighbour has had terrible issues with his California.
pSynrg said:
toppstuff said:
650S every time for me.
I just don't get on with the Ferrari image.
This 100%.I just don't get on with the Ferrari image.
Baseball caps, pencil cases, laptops and theme parks have fkall to do with cars afaic.
Nothing but tired old 'romantic' Italian cliches, "the aura", the history, "we ARE Formula 1" and all that blx.
McLaren may come across as anally retentive as lost vicar in G-A-Y, but underneath the surface there we find pencils balanced behind ears, bangers & mash wi gravy, swilled down with a couple of pints of bitter on a Friday aft.
you have to be a very hard person not to understand the magic of ferrari.
ferrari make the merchandise in order to maintain their traditions, they actually don't make a massive amount of total profit and most of the cost is because they do things differently to their competition.
I have never owned a ferrari but to dismiss what they do as simply because they need to survive in a changing world just shows ignorance.
yep, many Ferrari owners are complete tools but the cars ferrari produce currently (f12, 458sa, la Ferrari) are probably the strongest lineup of cars the world has yet seen and we need to thank the monied gentlemen (and the rich tools) who keep buying them in the Hope they depreciate so hard that I can one day afford one.
Enricogto said:
Streetrod said:
1) Lets look at what the market says, currently over 140 458's for sale in the classifieds against only 53 MP4's/650's. To me that says the McLarens seem to be doing rather well thank you very much
Maybe the initial number of cars sold may have a certain relevance in that? 
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