Dealers mis quoted previous owners
Discussion
Taz1383 said:
The Moose said:
Yes. 3 previous keepers at the time of advertising. The current keeper is the 4th. You'll be the 5th.
It's not that complicated!!
And well like I said, I bought it from a trader, not an owner. The trader wasn't listed as an owner. So yes, given the differing responses here, it clearly is complicatedIt's not that complicated!!
The trader would not be an owner. The person listed on V5 was the owner. He is the 4th owner. You are the 5th.
Always add 1 to previous owner. 3 previous means 4 in total.
I'm also not sure what you are hoping to achieve? Paying more for a car because no one wants them really doesnt make sense. A little background may help with a more accurate response.
Taz1383 said:
Nothing, but it's misleading to say X owners when the reality is different. Turns out that dealers can do that because well, they're dealers
Well, if you read your OP again. No one has mislead you. The fact that you don't understand what '3 previous owners' means isnt really the concern of the dealer is it? Perhaps, in the future, ask your dog or cat to purchase your cars for you. They may understand the subtleties and furthermore, not pay a premium for a car that no one wants.
TVR1 said:
If you purchase a car from new and HPI it, it will show as 0 previous owners, as there are none. 3 previous owners doesnt include the person that the car is registered to. In total there are 4 owners. When the 4th owner (with 3 previous keepers) sells the car on, the car will then have 4 previous keepers and you are the 5th owner.
The trader would not be an owner. The person listed on V5 was the owner. He is the 4th owner. You are the 5th.
Always add 1 to previous owner. 3 previous means 4 in total.
I'm also not sure what you are hoping to achieve? Paying more for a car because no one wants them really doesnt make sense. A little background may help with a more accurate response.
To anyone with a brain, a dealer who has bought a car from someone then becomes the temporary owner. The car gets put in trader status, but doesn't add to the log book. By putting 3 previous owners, when I'm buying from an intermediary, implies that I will be the 4th. Just because everyone on this forum has been stung before and now knows dealers like to play this trick does not mean that people buying new should understand this too. The trader would not be an owner. The person listed on V5 was the owner. He is the 4th owner. You are the 5th.
Always add 1 to previous owner. 3 previous means 4 in total.
I'm also not sure what you are hoping to achieve? Paying more for a car because no one wants them really doesnt make sense. A little background may help with a more accurate response.
And with regards to the car, I wanted one
GC8 said:
Skanky traders always quote the lesser of the two figures. Three previous keepers or four owners.
Not really the traders fault that the OP is a.........http://youtu.be/1i4rgxOi73c
Taz1383 said:
TVR1 said:
If you purchase a car from new and HPI it, it will show as 0 previous owners, as there are none. 3 previous owners doesnt include the person that the car is registered to. In total there are 4 owners. When the 4th owner (with 3 previous keepers) sells the car on, the car will then have 4 previous keepers and you are the 5th owner.
The trader would not be an owner. The person listed on V5 was the owner. He is the 4th owner. You are the 5th.
Always add 1 to previous owner. 3 previous means 4 in total.
I'm also not sure what you are hoping to achieve? Paying more for a car because no one wants them really doesnt make sense. A little background may help with a more accurate response.
To anyone with a brain, a dealer who has bought a car from someone then becomes the temporary owner. The car gets put in trader status, but doesn't add to the log book. By putting 3 previous owners, when I'm buying from an intermediary, implies that I will be the 4th. Just because everyone on this forum has been stung before and now knows dealers like to play this trick does not mean that people buying new should understand this too. The trader would not be an owner. The person listed on V5 was the owner. He is the 4th owner. You are the 5th.
Always add 1 to previous owner. 3 previous means 4 in total.
I'm also not sure what you are hoping to achieve? Paying more for a car because no one wants them really doesnt make sense. A little background may help with a more accurate response.
And with regards to the car, I wanted one
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
The Moose said:
It's nothing to do with owners. It's registered keepers. You can have a car with multiple registered keepers that's always been owned by the same person.
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
I don't get this either, when the dealer took ownership of the car, surely the previous owner sent off his change of ownership V5 and so did the dealer. It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
Although its a trader and doesn't go on V5 as an owner, doesn't the dealer then get a new V5?
The Moose said:
It's nothing to do with owners. It's registered keepers. You can have a car with multiple registered keepers that's always been owned by the same person.
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
I was only asking a question. Whether people want to look smart or what, a dealer stating previous owners wrongly IS misleading. I'm mislead therefore it is misleading, and a quick google shows other people have wondered the same. It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
dench said:
The Moose said:
It's nothing to do with owners. It's registered keepers. You can have a car with multiple registered keepers that's always been owned by the same person.
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
I don't get this either, when the dealer took ownership of the car, surely the previous owner sent off his change of ownership V5 and so did the dealer. It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
Although its a trader and doesn't go on V5 as an owner, doesn't the dealer then get a new V5?
When they sell the car, they fill in the bits on the back of the front cover and send that off leaving the with the little green slip.
Taz1383 said:
The Moose said:
It's nothing to do with owners. It's registered keepers. You can have a car with multiple registered keepers that's always been owned by the same person.
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
I was only asking a question. Whether people want to look smart or what, a dealer stating previous owners wrongly IS misleading. I'm mislead therefore it is misleading, and a quick google shows other people have wondered the same. It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
If it's anyone's fault, it's the DVLA. The better way to put it would be total number of keepers and include the current in that number...but then some people would get confused also.
The Moose said:
You send of the yellow slip which notifies the DVLA that the car now is owned by a dealer but they keep the same V5.
When they sell the car, they fill in the bits on the back of the front cover and send that off leaving the with the little green slip.
Oh I understand.When they sell the car, they fill in the bits on the back of the front cover and send that off leaving the with the little green slip.
I thought there was some sort of 'trade V5' that the dealer ends up with which has updated number of owners but they just hold onto that slip till new owner buys up.
Thanfor clearing that up.
Taz1383 said:
To anyone with a brain, a dealer who has bought a car from someone then becomes the temporary owner. The car gets put in trader status, but doesn't add to the log book. By putting 3 previous owners, when I'm buying from an intermediary, implies that I will be the 4th.
What's not clear here is what sort of dealer you bought from - most won't sell "trade" unless it is a genuine trade sale, and you obviously aren't a genuine trader.If I was buying a car from a typical used car retailer / garage, and it was described as having 3 previous owners, I would expect to be the 4th.
If I was buying privately, with the same numbers as above, I'd expect to be the 5th owner.
First off - I will call out I work in the auto trade - (so not to be accused of a hidden agenda)
OP do you still have a copy of the ad ??
Did it say the car had "3 previous owners" or it had "3 owners".
There is a very important difference.
Equally importantly was the "ownership information" in the worded part of the ad or in the accompanying data.
My wife has a discovery 4 - she is the 2nd owner, her logbook, states one previous owner, when I start an sell ad on pistonheads, autotrader and ebay - all three sites automatically list the car as having 1 previous owner (exactly as dvla understand it to be).
Now if I trade my wife's discovery into Land Rover and they list it for sale (on ebay, pistonheads or pistonheads) once again the automatic details will come up as the car having 1 previous owner.
Saying all that the difference between a car having 4 previous owners or 5 makes pretty much no difference to value at all.
OP do you still have a copy of the ad ??
Did it say the car had "3 previous owners" or it had "3 owners".
There is a very important difference.
Equally importantly was the "ownership information" in the worded part of the ad or in the accompanying data.
My wife has a discovery 4 - she is the 2nd owner, her logbook, states one previous owner, when I start an sell ad on pistonheads, autotrader and ebay - all three sites automatically list the car as having 1 previous owner (exactly as dvla understand it to be).
Now if I trade my wife's discovery into Land Rover and they list it for sale (on ebay, pistonheads or pistonheads) once again the automatic details will come up as the car having 1 previous owner.
Saying all that the difference between a car having 4 previous owners or 5 makes pretty much no difference to value at all.
Taz1383 said:
The Moose said:
It's nothing to do with owners. It's registered keepers. You can have a car with multiple registered keepers that's always been owned by the same person.
It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
I was only asking a question. Whether people want to look smart or what, a dealer stating previous owners wrongly IS misleading. I'm mislead therefore it is misleading, and a quick google shows other people have wondered the same. It's nothing to do with dealers doing it because dealers. It's not deceitful at all. On the V5 it'll have said 3 previous keepers. Not 4. He's not deceived you. You've cocked up.
Taz1383 said:
I was only asking a question. Whether people want to look smart or what, a dealer stating previous owners wrongly IS misleading. I'm mislead therefore it is misleading, and a quick google shows other people have wondered the same.
When I advertise a car on autotrader or ebay it automatically fills in the vehicle data including the number of 'previous' owners.It's not done manually by the dealer.
It won't make any difference to its value and especially not if its a cheap old car.
If it was less than 2 yrs old it might have some relevance.
Would you have not bought it if it had said 4 owners instead of 3 if so you have your priorites all wrong when buying a banger that is the last thing that you need worry about.
If it was less than 2 yrs old it might have some relevance.
Would you have not bought it if it had said 4 owners instead of 3 if so you have your priorites all wrong when buying a banger that is the last thing that you need worry about.
Wilmslowboy said:
Now if I trade my wife's discovery into Land Rover and they list it for sale (on ebay, pistonheads or pistonheads) once again the automatic details will come up as the car having 1 previous owner.
I didn't know that, although I haven't bought a used car for a long time. There's certainly scope for a misunderstanding to arise.
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