Taxi costs - not dropped due to petrol decrease?
Discussion
PhillipM said:
I wouldn't want to work through the night to the early hours of the morning, on a weekend, picking up drunks all weekend, for taxi drivers wages. Don't blame 'em if their fare is fixed.
People have to work in bars, clubs, takeaways and multiple other jobs that revolve around drunks and have to do it for minimum wage. Lots of jobs involve having to work shifts of some sort where they can't pick and choose nice easy hours.
Nobody gives them any sympathy for having to do their job.
The vast majority of people are perfectly capable of getting in a car for a lift home at the end on the night. I'm always fine and I'm sick of not being able to get a lift home.
Businesses have to work for their customers and make their company suit their customers needs. Taxi drivers here seem to get away with whatever they want.
Bars have been clamped down on for not providing a good service. Idiots get aggressive when bars are too busy and queues too long. They were forced to employ more staff to keep times down and control potential trouble.
Even sober people get frustrated waiting for lengthy periods at the rank. The wait causes the idiots to kick off.
I've never heard anything about the taxi firms being forced to provide a better service to help defuse potential problems.
Matt UK said:
Welshbeef said:
They have.
Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
16p?Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
As the Finance Director I would have thought you were central to such company policy. A surprise to find you on an internet forum bleeting about it.
blank said:
Fox- said:
nct001 said:
These guys work very hard and it's not a great thing to be doing, many are on the bread line earning £100 a day for 10 hours work...
Presumably thats £100 after all expenses - ie actual take home?Otherwise thats 10 5-6 mile trips in a 10 hour shift?!
In the south east ex council houses sell for £500k in prime areas, low end semis in lesser locations are getting on for £300k. Just what are you meant to do in life on £30k a year in the south east you will get nowhere, have discussed this at work, its got to the point where you need £40k a year to just live here.
You are looking at £1100 minimum in rent for a three bed semi and £300 minimum for bills and that's before you buy food and clothes... that money without government subsidy IS poverty.
There is market failure if a wage cannot support an existence for a family as what is the point of life and work itself?
I to wonder how taxis in my location make a profit. The dam que of taxis outside the rail station is often 100mtrs long. Must take at least 30mins to get to the station end. The local traffic at rush hour is awful. If they get 1 trip an hour I'll be surprised. Years ago, the AA calculated car costs at +£1/mile.
Welshbeef said:
Matt UK said:
Welshbeef said:
They have.
Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
16p?Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
As the Finance Director I would have thought you were central to such company policy. A surprise to find you on an internet forum bleeting about it.
Welshbeef said:
My point is when fuel went up quickly prices went up quickly too for taxi rides.
I pay about £10-12 for a 2ish mile run to the station in the daytime.
Bloody Hell!I pay about £10-12 for a 2ish mile run to the station in the daytime.
Do you live miles out of town so the operator is charging you a 'Base to base' fare?
Maybe fuel prices have dropped but the vehicle owner has a whole raft of other expenses, insurance, servicing etc that won't have been reduced.
You could also say why hasn't your builder, cleaner or gardener reduced their rates too, after all it's not costing them as much to come to work for you.
Suck it up..... Cheap fuel won't last forever.
I operated a private hire car for over 5 years until recently, and can't believe some of the comments posted here.
As already mentioned above fuel is not the major expense for a taxi.
Insurance is frightening, mostly public liability cover. (My average cost was almost £2k each year)
Running repairs - pair of front tyres every 2-3 months, radio rental £100 per week.
I used to work through the week to cover my expenses, then Saturday night was for my wages.
Had situation before when 1st job Saturday night I snapped a coil spring so car off road, Still had bills so effectively worked all week for nothing.
Started another Saturday and heading to garage to fuel up for the night when someone hit rear quarter leaving me with no tail-lights and bumper hanging on ground. Same again- car off road and worked all week to pay bills. First job of night was £80 booking so more money lost.
Yes you may find it shocking to be charged £3 or £4 for a 5 minute trip, but for all you know the driver may sit for an hour before the next job comes along.
As already mentioned above fuel is not the major expense for a taxi.
Insurance is frightening, mostly public liability cover. (My average cost was almost £2k each year)
Running repairs - pair of front tyres every 2-3 months, radio rental £100 per week.
I used to work through the week to cover my expenses, then Saturday night was for my wages.
Had situation before when 1st job Saturday night I snapped a coil spring so car off road, Still had bills so effectively worked all week for nothing.
Started another Saturday and heading to garage to fuel up for the night when someone hit rear quarter leaving me with no tail-lights and bumper hanging on ground. Same again- car off road and worked all week to pay bills. First job of night was £80 booking so more money lost.
Yes you may find it shocking to be charged £3 or £4 for a 5 minute trip, but for all you know the driver may sit for an hour before the next job comes along.
nct001 said:
You want to get real... £100 a day for 10 hours work then you have to pay self assessment tax, pay taxi insurance at £3k a year, service and mot a car that does 600 miles a week and fund the depreciation of that vehicle... many of these people are just keeping themselves bust just keeping wolf from door.
So thats £100 a day BEFORE any expenses - so £100 a day in takings?That must equate to what, just 5-10 fares a day?!
Do they spend 80% of that shift not working or something?
GC8 said:
Welshbeef said:
My point is when fuel went up quickly prices went up quickly too for taxi rides.
I pay about £10-12 for a 2ish mile run to the station in the daytime.
In July I paid £14 for 10 mile journies at 04:45. Youre being had Sunshine.I pay about £10-12 for a 2ish mile run to the station in the daytime.
Which is 2.6 miles away.
Fox- said:
I'd genuinely rather get a bus if possible than a taxi - I can't stand using them. Perhaps it's just irrational but I begrudge paying £2 a mile for somebody to drive me in an 11 year old Vectra.
This is why Uber is good. Shaking up the market with better fares and newer cars.
Taxis are not always the last word in cleanliness but generally public transport is pretty grim.Theres always going to more sweat, ball/flap juice/faecal matter and other bodily fluids on a bus seat used by literally hundreds of mouth breathers daily.Fine though if you dont mind sitting in other peoples sThis is why Uber is good. Shaking up the market with better fares and newer cars.
t..blank said:
£100 per day take home is a long way from the bread line! It's a couple of grand a month so about the same as a £35-40k salary...
Depends on the number of days and amount of holiday taken which remember isn't paid for unlike traditional employees so a five day week for 46.4 weeks would be 23.2k before tax, not bad but nowhere near 35-40k.To get to 35k you'd have to work 7 days straight each week all year.
Your 35k to 40k employee is likely only working 5 days week on a 38 to 42hr contract with a minimum of 5.6 weeks paid holiday inclusive of bank holidays.
Edited by b0rk on Monday 26th January 01:32
Matt UK said:
Welshbeef said:
Matt UK said:
Welshbeef said:
They have.
Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
16p?Our pence per mile rate has reduced from £0.19 to £0.16 and looking to decrease further.
As the Finance Director I would have thought you were central to such company policy. A surprise to find you on an internet forum bleeting about it.
nct001 said:
You want to get real... £100 a day for 10 hours work then you have to pay self assessment tax, pay taxi insurance at £3k a year, service and mot a car that does 600 miles a week and fund the depreciation of that vehicle... many of these people are just keeping themselves bust just keeping wolf from door.
To be fair, he was working on the basis that was £100 a day after expenses.£100 a day before expenses, or £10 an hour (before expenses) makes it seem like madness to me to work as a taxi driver!!
I guess that could be the declared amounts of money. Taxis are mainly cash after all...
Edited by The Moose on Monday 26th January 01:42
Monkeylegend said:
My fuel bill alone is about £10k per annum, so for those that think earning £100 per day is good money, think again.
It doesn't really tell a story though. In theory the higher your fuel bill, the more trips and money you've been making. £10,000 adds up to around 72,000 miles per year at current prices and allowing for only 35mpg.
That's still 275 miles per day for a 5 day week.
It sounds like a good amount of business.
nct001 said:
blank said:
Fox- said:
nct001 said:
These guys work very hard and it's not a great thing to be doing, many are on the bread line earning £100 a day for 10 hours work...
Presumably thats £100 after all expenses - ie actual take home?Otherwise thats 10 5-6 mile trips in a 10 hour shift?!
In the south east ex council houses sell for £500k in prime areas, low end semis in lesser locations are getting on for £300k. Just what are you meant to do in life on £30k a year in the south east you will get nowhere, have discussed this at work, its got to the point where you need £40k a year to just live here.
You are looking at £1100 minimum in rent for a three bed semi and £300 minimum for bills and that's before you buy food and clothes... that money without government subsidy IS poverty.
There is market failure if a wage cannot support an existence for a family as what is the point of life and work itself?
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